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by walrusgumble
Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:01 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

The case you cited above was not a reported case, and therefore it cannot be used as a precedent before the courts. In the UK, the mostly used case is ZH Tanzania Dereci case is a bit complex, the court dealt with Mr Dereci's case as the spouse of an Austrian Citizen rather that the father of a min...
by walrusgumble
Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:53 am
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

Am saying this because UKBA wrote to my friend on tuesday, he is a Ghanian albeit not married but had a child and living together with his British partner thus their daughter is British. though he hasnt been working, the partner has been sponsoring the family all along. UKBA says because the child ...
by walrusgumble
Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:40 am
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

Yes am clear now. That means this Dereci Judgement weakens Zambrano as i was viewing the spirit attached to Zambrano initially. So it all boils down to national courts determining if the third country national should remain with their child in the state? If you mean that you thought the spirit of Z...
by walrusgumble
Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:37 am
Forum: Ireland
Topic: Link to Dereci Judgment
Replies: 83
Views: 13769

Link to Dereci Judgment

Dereci Judgment.

Unless discussion about the case, and only the case, no comments are welcome.
by walrusgumble
Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:14 am
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

What about in cases where one of the parent is Irish and the child qualifies to be Irish on the basis of say the dad's citizenship whereas the mum is an illegal alien would Zambrano not apply for the mum to qualify for residence. Would it be said that because one of the parents is EU citizen the ch...
by walrusgumble
Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:51 am
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

I gave a specific analogy earlier whereby a German/American couple have Irish children in Ireland, it would oppose the Zambrano ruling if the American is not allowed residence based on the Zambrano criteria. I disagree that the Zambrano ruling is binding only if both parents are non-EU nationals......
by walrusgumble
Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:35 am
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

its a good job the high court in the original discussion did not look at eu law,because if they did decerci would apply and might not save the couple.echr is not very strong on this either.it may all fall down to shatter not appealing cause Supreme court,depending which judges sit,could go anyway.B...
by walrusgumble
Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:11 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

its a good job the high court in the original discussion did not look at eu law,because if they did decerci would apply and might not save the couple.echr is not very strong on this either.it may all fall down to shatter not appealing cause Supreme court,depending which judges sit,could go anyway.Bu...
by walrusgumble
Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:46 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

zambrano only concerns right to live in country of child.mccarthy n dercei severely limits this case.it is highely unlikely but not impossible that german n american parents of irish child can rely on zambrano in ireland,because they will look at the german's activity n whether metock and directive ...
by walrusgumble
Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:29 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: Dereci - No cause for Alarm
Replies: 19
Views: 3310

This is strange,now i can access the site again @wals, who gave me 5 days to prove it?if at all thats true,cant you see the level of your madness?If the moderators that can check the ips didnt do that,how then do they want me to prove it if its really true i was given 5days.Between me and you,we bo...
by walrusgumble
Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:49 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: Dereci - No cause for Alarm
Replies: 19
Views: 3310

can you guys please clearify.i am non eu .my partner is eu .we have child.he have eu citizenship but not irish.so can i apply for residence based on my child .because my chid have eu citizens.can you please clarify ????????????? The Child is not an Irish Citizen, Zambrano never ever intended to be ...
by walrusgumble
Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:54 am
Forum: Ireland
Topic: Dereci - No cause for Alarm
Replies: 19
Views: 3310

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by walrusgumble
Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:46 am
Forum: Ireland
Topic: Dereci - No cause for Alarm
Replies: 19
Views: 3310

walrusgumble, have you stopped your medication again, you cannot make demands from anyone. As ever, its very difficult to read your tirade. Is it possible for you to switch to become supportive and clam instead of confrontational and angry towards posters. Addressing every single comment made towar...
by walrusgumble
Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:26 am
Forum: Ireland
Topic: Dereci - No cause for Alarm
Replies: 19
Views: 3310

There is nothing in Dereci that states that children who are abroad do not benefit from Zambrano. Any suggestion that Dereci Judgement states that, is unfounded and potentially misleading. The facts of the circumstances in Dereci are different entirely in material scope to that of the Zambrano. In ...
by walrusgumble
Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:15 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: Dereci - No cause for Alarm
Replies: 19
Views: 3310

you must think am competiting with u regarding whatever law you are talking about mr wanna be lawyer...later would be tough for me,ok am saying in french for u to understand,Tu es Irishtom,just as u said its a general board so u cant stop me from commenting but as it is,you are their tiny god here ...
by walrusgumble
Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:39 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: Dereci - No cause for Alarm
Replies: 19
Views: 3310

I saw the judgment this afternoon and just as i thought,Mr wals would be the 1st person to post it on the board... no cause for alarm,what a smart comment.. Denial of genuine enjoyment and respect for family life was the key point from the Judgment,read properly again!domestic courts will have to m...
by walrusgumble
Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:19 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: Dereci - No cause for Alarm
Replies: 19
Views: 3310

Article 8.1 has to be considered anyway,remember article 8.2.States won't loose sleep over this actually. germans would be more worried than Ireland over Dereci bit. It is simply a rehash of McCarthy,ie move to another part of europe ie deprivement. ecthr talks about a similar idea, insourmountable ...
by walrusgumble
Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:50 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

Dercei http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/form.pl?lang=en&newform=newform&alljur=alljur&jurcdj=jurcdj&jurtpi=jurtpi&jurtfp=jurtfp&alldocrec=alldocrec&docj=docj&docor=docor&docdecision=docdecision&docop=docop&docppoag=docppoag&docav=docav&docsom=...
by walrusgumble
Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:43 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: Dereci - No cause for Alarm
Replies: 19
Views: 3310

Dereci - No cause for Alarm

Dereci Judgment . Some explanation to Zambrano, but still no clear guideline on Genuine Activity. It was a partial success (ie partial limitation on Zambrano) for the Member States. Many people here won't be too worried, for now, about this judgment, especially if other parent is non EU . I am sure...
by walrusgumble
Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:47 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

china and india will be the next world power.i am just laughing at irish tom not to europe recession ok.i think you quite didnot understand my last 3 posts. Yes I know, but if I was Chinese or other Asians etc I would not be laughing about the fact that they are loaning EU money, they won't get it ...
by walrusgumble
Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:56 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: any news for those who applied in Nov 2009?
Replies: 8
Views: 2123

Re: Doctors naturalisation

hi all, just wondering whether there are any doctors on this forum who recently received their CON or is the Department deliberately slowing this process in order to curb the acute shortage of doctors in the Irish hospitals.Being a doctor meself and practising in the west of Ireland and submitted m...
by walrusgumble
Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:53 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: any news for those who applied in Nov 2009?
Replies: 8
Views: 2123

I applied 5 months ago...my application is straight forward...though, i think it will take about 1.5 years..if i am very lucky..Alan should not have come out to announce that now application will take 6 months.. It was unfortunately false hope for most of us. I hope it gets better I said that when ...
by walrusgumble
Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:46 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

china and india will be the next world power.i am just laughing at irish tom not to europe recession ok.i think you quite didnot understand my last 3 posts. Yes I know, but if I was Chinese or other Asians etc I would not be laughing about the fact that they are loaning EU money, they won't get it ...
by walrusgumble
Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:36 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: New Irish case reported by the Irish times
Replies: 77
Views: 11360

OBIE: Start doing your job then. Protocols should be in place where posters are required to cite and link the sources of their opinion. This is required on any other site. That puts to bed the now predictable allegations that are spouted out when certain posters are incapable of dealing with facts. ...
by walrusgumble
Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:42 pm
Forum: Ireland
Topic: Irish association application? PLEAS HELP!!!
Replies: 6
Views: 1472

Re: Irish association application? PLEAS HELP!!!

i would appreciate it if someone could help me out here. i came to ireland as a minor aged 16 on a D join parent visa. my dad was a work permit holder and is now a naturalized irish citizen. both my parents are naturalized irish citizens. my question is: am i eligible to apply based on irish associ...