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Singh route EEA2 refusal help please

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euroguys
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Singh route EEA2 refusal help please

Post by euroguys » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:57 pm

Having applied in Dec 2013 for EEA2 for the missus as a Surinder Singh case (im a brit ) we sent 34 documents including passports marriage and birth certs an a copy of our residency cards for our host country.

We sent a list of the documents apart from the ID stuff around 14 of each pertaining to proof of residing together over about 18 months and 14 regarding my self employment bank statement invoices which were submitted to the hosts tax office on real time reporting social security number apllications registration doc etc with a summary of the documents in English and a letter from a translator that stateted the summaries/gist were correct. Since many of the docs are easy to understand it seemed an unessasary burden to go further until asked as what our nipper did in her school report is irrelevant but it does demonstrate she was at school and our address and the reams of guff on a bank statement doesnt in our view need translation since it is the figuers that speak along with name and address and date.

We also sent a cover letter and asked for the Eco to ask us if they needed clarification and we were happy to supply it.

The result just over two months is that they have returned everything (except our photos and nice folder and rejected the apllication on “insuficient evidence that the Brit was working or self employed.

Apart from a standard “you appear to have no further basis to stay” they say an appeal undersection 82 of the immigration act and Regulation 26 of thee EEA Regs 2006

The refusal is stated as under UK VI Guidance all translations must be accompanied by certified translations although I have never seen such regulation

They further state this is failure to provide sufficient evidence

In making this decision they have given consideration to

The application form

The passports (which were returned on request in Jan)

The cover letter

The translators letter

Various Spanish documents

It is my contention that the the last three are not true because 1, I clearly asked them to request any further information 2, many of the documents required little translation to understand particularly pertaining to simple proof of residency and cohabitation and 3, since Spain was not the country we had come from nor was the language Spanish.so not enough “consideration “ was given to even understand that i.e. they didnt read it, or perhaps the case worker doesnt read english

I would contend that this confirmation process, now illegally charged for, should ensure that engagement from the HO can be relied on rather than avoidance, since this is not an exam but rather a process under European law pertaining to a right of a citizenand that further to not do so would be discrimnatory since no other European Citizen is required to try to guess what is required.

It is possible to pay £30 per page for certified translations and that it is there for an unnessasary burden on the British Citizen not to state exactly what is required from the documents submitted £1500 for 50 pages and that such an onerous requirement might lead to a citizen feeling prevented from enjoyment free movement rights under the 2004/38.

Further since no real consideration was given that the £110 fee has been taken in bad faith

I am reluctant to reapply having spent lots of money on translation only to be told the same again further since under this application I am covered under transitional arrangements I do not wish to loose them

On the appeal form it states that documents need to be certified so catch 22?

Any thoughts pointers to supporting case law etc appreciated I have ten days from monday.

Am I right in thinking I could appeal enter translations later on if I wish and that will keep this application open?

I will write to the case worker and point out the ubove points and invite them to reconsider.
2011 Sep EEA1- Portugal
2011 Nov Wife arrived
2012 Jan EEA2 Issued to Wife
2013 Apr 1a issued on arrival at port spain
2013 Nov 1a issued after day trip france
2013 Dec EEA2 applied for
2014 Jan CoA with work 3 weeks
2014 Jan Passports returned

dalebutt
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Re: Singh route EEA2 refusal help please

Post by dalebutt » Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:26 pm

They may well be correct on that one, I suggest you hastily make the translations and ask them to reconsider the decisions, and also submit an appeal if you wish, as you are still covered by the transitional arrangements, you may submit another application later, if I were in your position, i would do a reconsideration request, the reply is more likely to come sooner than the rest of the options that are open to you.

I am just surprised that these bunch could not afford to contact you to provide the translations, they'd rather refuse first before any discussion, Shocking!

euroguys
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Re: Singh route EEA2 refusal help please

Post by euroguys » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:24 am

Dale I believe this link may be part of my appeal http://www.freemovement.org.uk/wp-conte ... uction.pdf

Can someone confirm please that i only need to send the appeal form in right now and any other papers can be added later ?
2011 Sep EEA1- Portugal
2011 Nov Wife arrived
2012 Jan EEA2 Issued to Wife
2013 Apr 1a issued on arrival at port spain
2013 Nov 1a issued after day trip france
2013 Dec EEA2 applied for
2014 Jan CoA with work 3 weeks
2014 Jan Passports returned

dalebutt
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Re: Singh route EEA2 refusal help please

Post by dalebutt » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:39 am

Yes you are right, caseworker should have exercised the evidential flexibility, do you know appeal takes time? it is taking around 7 months now, if you will appeal I think it will be wise to submit reconsideration request and point out the evidential flexibility instruction. You should file you appeal first and then prepare your bundle submission later.

euroguys
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Re: Singh route EEA2 refusal help please

Post by euroguys » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:39 am

yes will do on the app form it only says translations should be "reliable" Im suprised by the lack of comment here
2011 Sep EEA1- Portugal
2011 Nov Wife arrived
2012 Jan EEA2 Issued to Wife
2013 Apr 1a issued on arrival at port spain
2013 Nov 1a issued after day trip france
2013 Dec EEA2 applied for
2014 Jan CoA with work 3 weeks
2014 Jan Passports returned

Obie
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Re: Singh route EEA2 refusal help please

Post by Obie » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:13 pm

I am not sure the evidential flexibility can be transposed to EEA application. It applies to point based system application.

Perhaps other provisions may be in play, but not the evidential flexibility policy.
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euroguys
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Re: Singh route EEA2 refusal help please

Post by euroguys » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:00 pm

We have received our Appeal decision today and it finds in our favor with costs, the respondents have 14 days to appeal on points of law before I will ask for the issuance of the residence documents I finally had a certified translation of 15 documents although interestingly at the hearing the Judge pointed out to the respondents Barrister that Certified Translations are not required, I have no idea why or under what regulation. Our timescale wont fit in our signature lol



2011 Sep EEA1- Portugal
2011 Nov Wife arrived
2012 Jan EEA2 Issued to Wife
2013 Apr 1a issued on arrival at port spain
2013 Nov 1a issued after day trip france
2013 Dec EEA2 applied for
2014 Jan CoA with work 3 weeks
2014 Jan Passports returned
2014 March Refusal
2014 Reconsideration Request
2014 March Appeal
2015 Feb Oral Hearing
2015 March Appeal Upheld with costs
2011 Sep EEA1- Portugal
2011 Nov Wife arrived
2012 Jan EEA2 Issued to Wife
2013 Apr 1a issued on arrival at port spain
2013 Nov 1a issued after day trip france
2013 Dec EEA2 applied for
2014 Jan CoA with work 3 weeks
2014 Jan Passports returned

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