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Brigid from Ireland wrote:It is really very simple. There is no need to go to Pakistan, unless you wish to do so. You may travel to Ireland at any time, so long as you travel with your wife, her UK passport, your passport and an original marriage certificate. If you are stopped, she says 'I am an Eu citizen travelling to Ireland with my husband, here is the marriage cert as proof we are married and here are both passports'. That is all she needs to say and you can both travel to Ireland. Then you get a visa for three months and at the end of the three months she must either be a student or have payslips to show that she is working. Payslips are easier, so the best thing is for her to get any type of job, even part time. So then at the end of three months she gives payslips and proof of renting a home, and you get a six month visa. At the end of the six months she gives payslips again and then you get a 5 year visa. Then you can both go back to UK if you wish or you can stay in Ireland. If you stay in Ireland you can apply for citizenship after 5 years.
She can go to university here and you can also, but you might prefer private university as state university charges non EU citizen high fees, private colleges are cheaper.
In addition, I think that if she gets a job it is possible for your father to join you both in Ireland, as the dependent relative of your wife. He can apply for Irish citizenship also after 5 years of residence.
Good luck.
Brigid from Ireland wrote:Inform the Home Office that you wish to travel to Ireland with your wife as she intends to look for work in Ireland and you wish for your passport to be returned in order for you to go to Ireland with her. You will get your passport.
The current position is that the Home Office wants you to leave, and the only country they can send you to is the country that issued your passport, as Pakistan cannot refuse to allow you to go there.
But if you choose on a voluntary basis to go with your wife to an EU country the Home Office will be quite happy with that.
It is not that they want to send you to Pakistan, it is that they want you to leave the UK. If Ireland is willing/required to accept you, then the Home Office cannot prevent you from choosing Ireland in preference to Pakistan.
Easy.
With respect I do not agree! Once the EU citizen has worked for several months (10 to 12 hours a week would suffice) and both your "centres of life" have transferred to Ireland you can move to UK under the "Surrinder Singh" route. When you return to the UK there is no need for the EU citizen to be exercising Treaty Rights (employed, student or self-sufficient). You then have full rights of an EU citizen. To carry out the SS route the EU citizen must have worked (employed or self-employed) in another EU country.You better not leave the UK as it will make things difficult for you in the future....especially if you return to Pakistan. I hope you have a professional qualification and have had a job offer in Ireland, otherwise you will find getting ANY sort of job difficult.
I myself used to live in the UK from 2000 to 2008 and because of difficulty in regularising my immigration status. ...I decided to move to Ireland. I am soon to be an Irish citizen, but as soon as I get it I am going back to the UK. Ireland immigration system and rules are friendlier and relaxed compared to UKBA, but like employment opportunities are more plentiful in the UK.
My advice to you is so long as your marriage is genuine and will bear children, do not leave UK. They will not deport you while you're married to a British citizen, but since your marriage is fairly new, they have strong suspicions that it is a ma marriage of convenience and you have to prove otherwise.
Brigid from Ireland wrote:Inform them that you can travel to Ireland without a visa under EU law, so long as you travel with your wife and marriage cert as proof of marriage. The visa can be given at the place of entry to the Irish state, as you are the spouse of EU citizen. The quote below is from the immigration website and says you must report to immigration when you enter the state. If you cannot find an immigration officer at the place of entry, then you go to immigration in Dublin and they give the visa.
Proof that Ireland will accept you is 'Directive 2004/38/EC on the right of citizens of the Union and their family members .' The Home Office does not care where you go so long as you leave the UK.
'Non EEA nationals are required to seek leave to enter the State by reporting to an Immigration Officer at an Irish port of entry. The onus is on the individual to have all documentation relating to their reasons for entering Ireland for presentation to the Immigration Officer to gain entry. The Immigration Officer may grant leave to enter to a maximum period of three months. They may, depending on the documentation presented grant a lesser period that three month.'
Directive 2004/38/EC on the right of citizens of the Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States (the "Directive") is given effect in Ireland by the European Communities (Free Movement of Persons) Regulations 2006 and 2008 (the "Regulations").
The Directive and the Regulations apply to citizens of the European Union, citizens of EEA member states and citizens of Switzerland who move to or reside in a Member State other than that of which they are a national, and to their family members who accompany or join them.'
Latintraveller wrote:With respect I do not agree! Once the EU citizen has worked for several months (10 to 12 hours a week would suffice) and both your "centres of life" have transferred to Ireland you can move to UK under the "Surrinder Singh" route. When you return to the UK there is no need for the EU citizen to be exercising Treaty Rights (employed, student or self-sufficient). You then have full rights of an EU citizen. To carry out the SS route the EU citizen must have worked (employed or self-employed) in another EU country.You better not leave the UK as it will make things difficult for you in the future....especially if you return to Pakistan. I hope you have a professional qualification and have had a job offer in Ireland, otherwise you will find getting ANY sort of job difficult.
I myself used to live in the UK from 2000 to 2008 and because of difficulty in regularising my immigration status. ...I decided to move to Ireland. I am soon to be an Irish citizen, but as soon as I get it I am going back to the UK. Ireland immigration system and rules are friendlier and relaxed compared to UKBA, but like employment opportunities are more plentiful in the UK.
My advice to you is so long as your marriage is genuine and will bear children, do not leave UK. They will not deport you while you're married to a British citizen, but since your marriage is fairly new, they have strong suspicions that it is a ma marriage of convenience and you have to prove otherwise.
sony44 wrote:Hello de-vip,
I was thinking if you asked your wife to submit all documents for the type c visa at the Irish embassy for your visa to Ireland and then call the Home Office ask them to send your passport to the Embassy or request the Embassy to call the HO on your behalf to ask for your passport to process visa. I thought it might be worth trying.