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Relax, if you don't have any advice why are you beating on the person who is simply asking a question?segs2tier1 wrote:People like you disgust me.
You were born there, are you so embarrassed of being of a Pakistani origin? How would you change the place of birth section on your passport which says YOU WERE BORN THERE. How will you get rid of your Pakistani accent?
Don't act stupid and keep it, nothing wrong with having two nationalities when your country allows it. Looks like you are a victim of some complex and for reasons beyond my understanding you are just embarrassed to be a Pakistani. Giving up your Pakistani nationality will never change who you really are, you cannot change the way you look and talk, it is simple as that.
Hey calm down and stop misjudging peoples did i mentioned any where that i am embarrassed of being a Pakistani ? so why the hell you are assuming things by yourself . i believe the peoples like you Disgust others because you are not mature enough to guide you are only good in criticism. i simply choose Britain to live my life i wanted to be loyal and dedicated to this country having a simple straight life of one standard and don't wanted to be mixed up of double standard & double cultures that is why i don't wanted to be associated with an other citizenship it is as simple as it is but for the Pakistan High Commission they need a logical reason not the sentimental and that is why i asked MATURE members of the forum to give a better advise or to guide me what should i write in the letter.segs2tier1 wrote:People like you disgust me.
You were born there, are you so embarrassed of being of a Pakistani origin? How would you change the place of birth section on your passport which says YOU WERE BORN THERE. How will you get rid of your Pakistani accent?
Don't act stupid and keep it, nothing wrong with having two nationalities when your country allows it. Looks like you are a victim of some complex and for reasons beyond my understanding you are just embarrassed to be a Pakistani. Giving up your Pakistani nationality will never change who you really are, you cannot change the way you look and talk, it is simple as that.
He is also correct in what he has stated but I believe that at the end of the day it your choice and you are free to do what you like. We cannot and should not condemn you for the choices that you make in your life.How would you change the place of birth section on your passport which says YOU WERE BORN THERE
I agree with everything you said, and the other opinions expressed here, except perhaps this. A sovereign nation has rights as well as the individual. I do, in general, believe that in most situations, individual rights easily trump those of nations. But there are some situations, such as who is allowed to enter and leave the country, who is allowed to stay and for what reasons, and who is allowed to claim citizenship and who can not make such a claim, that are strictly within the province of a nation's rights. It is not, in my opinion, unreasonable to ask a citizen for a reason as to why they want to give up that citizenship, and to even say 'no'.Amber_ wrote:The OP should be able to just complete the necessary forms, a reason for renunciation should not be necessary.
I guess I should have given you guys a bit of back ground to why I responded in such a way. Ok - for the sake of others I should responded slightly differently but I got a bit pissed off with what she had to say hence I responded in such a way. It is fine that she can do anything she likes but what she said insulted me as well and here its how..Amber_ wrote:This is a warning to people e.g. segs2tier1, we will not tolerate people insulting other people because their views are different, people can and will face an immediate ban for such behaviour.
On another note, someone may wish to have only one nationality e.g. they may have greater protection if they were to become stateless upon loss of British Nationality. You do not know the reasons and should not judge. The OP should be able to just complete the necessary forms, a reason for renunciation should not be necessary.
I am calm and I am not judging you either, I am just looking at your reasoning and justification. I find it funny when you say that you do not want to have double standards and double cultures! Since when it says that having two nationalities means having double standards when it is totally legal to do so by your original country? Also, what do you mean by having double cultures? You are telling me that all of a sudden you are going to start living differently? How do you do that? Can you teach me? Look, based on what you have said I still think there is something not rightlayla1234 wrote: Hey calm down and stop misjudging peoples did i mentioned any where that i am embarrassed of being a Pakistani ? so why the hell you are assuming things by yourself . i believe the peoples like you Disgust others because you are not mature enough to guide you are only good in criticism. i simply choose Britain to live my life i wanted to be loyal and dedicated to this country having a simple straight life of one standard and don't wanted to be mixed up of double standard & double cultures that is why i don't wanted to be associated with an other citizenship it is as simple as it is but for the Pakistan High Commission they need a logical reason not the sentimental and that is why i asked MATURE members of the forum to give a better advise or to guide me what should i write in the letter.
See, this is one of the things that force me to distance myself from Pakistan, you have painted everyone (atleast most of the 2 big city dewellers) with the same brush. Absolute zero freedom of expression if someone doesn't want to board the bandwagon of the pride and patriotism, as if to say, "You are only allowed to love, anything else and you are a traitor!!!". (Americans are no different)segs2tier1 wrote: There is a class of people in Pakistan in cities such as Lahore and Karachi that is considered belonging to an elite class based on their day to day lives and shamefully all of them are embarrassed to be called Pakistanis. They try their out most to distance them selves from the very country they live in, they speak English at home (which is laughable btw), do all things with in their reach to mirror what is done in EU, USA etc, attend secret night clubs, take drugs.. You know what I mean. How do I know this, well, I am a Pakistani my self and have lived and worked with these people.
Anyways good luck with your application.
I guess since you have inside information there is really no point trying to explain why some people, myself included, want to almost sever ties with that country. Your husband is cent percent right, I still go there to see my parents but normally 2 weeks is all it takes to want to run away from that place and the remaining 2 weeks i spend waiting for my flight back home...(ah good old blighty )Amber_ wrote:My husband, being Pakistani, often tells me Pakistan would be the best place in the world to live (it is beautiful) if it wasn't for the society. I can't really comment so I only go by what he tells me, that is, immense corruption, hypocrisy and police beatings. My husband has both British and Pakistan nationality and still visits and loves his Pakistan. However, I'm not so sure I could be easily persuaded to acquire Pakistan nationality. Which, is rather easy for a British National (an investment of £30,000) or for me, much cheaper as I'm married to a Pakistan National.
I should must say that you are a proven an immature person as you still cannot think any other reason than being embarrassed of the culture & country beside this you are yourself insulting the country of your birth . for you kind knowledge i myself lived there quite a few years and also mixed up with the so called by you the Elite Class i haven't seen a single example in any class of Pakistan who is embarrassed of being Pakistani because pakistani culture is very pure culture with good moral values and that is the reason most of British Asian parents try to impose Pakistani culture to their next generation which create trouble and double standard in young ones .segs2tier1 wrote:I guess I should have given you guys a bit of back ground to why I responded in such a way. Ok - for the sake of others I should responded slightly differently but I got a bit pissed off with what she had to say hence I responded in such a way. It is fine that she can do anything she likes but what she said insulted me as well and here its how..Amber_ wrote:This is a warning to people e.g. segs2tier1, we will not tolerate people insulting other people because their views are different, people can and will face an immediate ban for such behaviour.
On another note, someone may wish to have only one nationality e.g. they may have greater protection if they were to become stateless upon loss of British Nationality. You do not know the reasons and should not judge. The OP should be able to just complete the necessary forms, a reason for renunciation should not be necessary.
There is a class of people in Pakistan in cities such as Lahore and Karachi that is considered belonging to an elite class based on their day to day lives and shamefully all of them are embarrassed to be called Pakistanis. They try their out most to distance them selves from the very country they live in, they speak English at home (which is laughable btw), do all things with in their reach to mirror what is done in EU, USA etc, attend secret night clubs, take drugs.. You know what I mean. How do I know this, well, I am a Pakistani my self and have lived and worked with these people.
I find it very insulting as well when some one like them refuses to accept where they come from and shows disrespect to the very culture they were born in. Its kind of saying that, yeah, I am finally out of the ghetto, I should have never been there in the first place and oh btw, you all are below me.
I am sorry for the rant but I had to say this because it touched a nerve when I read her post and reminded me some bitter memories.
I am calm and I am not judging you either, I am just looking at your reasoning and justification. I find it funny when you say that you do not want to have double standards and double cultures! Since when it says that having two nationalities means having double standards when it is totally legal to do so by your original country? Also, what do you mean by having double cultures? You are telling me that all of a sudden you are going to start living differently? How do you do that? Can you teach me? Look, based on what you have said I still think there is something not rightlayla1234 wrote: Hey calm down and stop misjudging peoples did i mentioned any where that i am embarrassed of being a Pakistani ? so why the hell you are assuming things by yourself . i believe the peoples like you Disgust others because you are not mature enough to guide you are only good in criticism. i simply choose Britain to live my life i wanted to be loyal and dedicated to this country having a simple straight life of one standard and don't wanted to be mixed up of double standard & double cultures that is why i don't wanted to be associated with an other citizenship it is as simple as it is but for the Pakistan High Commission they need a logical reason not the sentimental and that is why i asked MATURE members of the forum to give a better advise or to guide me what should i write in the letter.
As to what to write to the high commission, I will be careful (and I am being honest here). You do not want to write something silly because if some thing happens believe me they will give you a hard time, they can literally refuse you entry to Pakistan ever again. Because what you tell them can insult them as well, don't you understand something called Pride?
Anyways good luck with your application.