Need help for belgium and netherland

[nom_anwa]

Hi guys any one there who can help me please
i got married with an eu citizen from netherland.
i,m canadian permanent residence pakistani citizen.
we got married in canada while she was visting here.
her family live in eu so she went back to nl.
but we are keep visting each other.
i been to eu 3 or 4 times and she been here 4 time.
but we are tired been living that way.
so we decided to live togather in eu for good. when i went to get visa from nl cousulate. they told us we need to meet requiement of i need to paas language test and she need to meet income but she is not working.
i don,t know dutch.
so we are thinking to move belgium or irland. or any other country where will be easy.i,m going to netherland on vist visa again but this time i wanna stay there with my wife for good. any one can help me out that if i go there on vist visa can i aply for residence visa in belgium or irland thanks i,ll wait for some one who can help me please.

[John]

Please note that on the internet posting in block capitals is equivalent to shouting. On this board posts in block capitals are liable to be deleted without warning.

I suspect you will encounter problems getting a spouse visa for the Netherlands given that your wife is not working. You have mentioned "NETHERLAND, BELGIUM OR IRLAND WHERE EVER IT ,LL BE EASY. ". Clearly you speak English, but you have not mentioned the UK. Any reason for that?

And whilst you do mention Ireland, if you look at the Ireland section of this Board you will see that Ireland has an unusual interpretation of EU law and thus you might struggle to move there.

[SYH]

The Netherlands has a Kennis Migrant visa equivalent somewhat to the the HSMP visa in the UK or you can get a Dutch company to sponsor a work permit for you whatever you do which you don't bother to explain.
I heard Belgium is the preferred option when one can't get into Holland easily. Go check out the ind. nl website for info

[Rozen]

Nom_anwa, here's a way to get round to eventually living in Holland with your Dutch wife, without having to apply for an MVV (which includes taking the Dutch language test). It's called the "Belgium Route", and a lot of Dutch nationals who have foreign partners tend to go this way...

You and your wife can first move to any EU state (be it Belgium, UK, France, whatever - apart from Holland). Let your wife exercise one of her treaty rights (ie. work, study, self-employed) for about six months or so, and then apply to go to Holland under the EU Regulations (which does not require you, the non-EU partner, to be conversant in Dutch).

Even though she is a Dutch citizen, you can request your application be considered under the EU rules, instead of the Netherlands national laws, so that she would be regarded as an EU citizen who has been exercising her treaty rights in another EU state, but now wishes to live in Holland.

I guess your primary concern at the moment should be making a decision about which EU state to go to. Like John has mentioned, what are your thoughts on moving to UK for a while? You can certainly write English!

[JAJ]

Presumably you are aware that you will lose your Canadian PR status once you no longer meet the residence requirements.

[nom_anwa]

HI ROZEN thanks for your help i think my basic concern to go eu and live with my wife any where in eu but my wife wanna live in holland if this is not possible then clsoe to holland coz she got her all family over there rozen my "Q" is that if i go to belgium on schengen vist visa can me and my wife saty in belgium legaly i know my wife can but how about me and we got married in canada. thanks for all of you guys

Nom_anwa, here's a way to get round to eventually living in Holland with your Dutch wife, without having to apply for an MVV (which includes taking the Dutch language test). It's called the "Belgium Route", and a lot of Dutch nationals who have foreign partners tend to go this way...

You and your wife can first move to any EU state (be it Belgium, UK, France, whatever - apart from Holland). Let your wife exercise one of her treaty rights (ie. work, study, self-employed) for about six months or so, and then apply to go to Holland under the EU Regulations (which does not require you, the non-EU partner, to be conversant in Dutch).

Even though she is a Dutch citizen, you can request your application be considered under the EU rules, instead of the Netherlands national laws, so that she would be regarded as an EU citizen who has been exercising her treaty rights in another EU state, but now wishes to live in Holland.

I guess your primary concern at the moment should be making a decision about which EU state to go to. Like John has mentioned, what are your thoughts on moving to UK for a while? You can certainly write English!

[nom_anwa]

HI JAJ thanks for reminding me about loosing my pr. but my basic concern is diffrent i hope if you know how i can stay in belgium while i,m there on vist visa you gonna help thanks

Presumably you are aware that you will lose your Canadian PR status once you no longer meet the residence requirements.

[Rozen]

Nom, perhaps you could try to google Belgium Immigration, and then maybe, just maybe, you might get an idea of what their policy is for a visitor visa...

You say you went to the Netherlands consulate, where they told you that you need to do the language test, so why not go to the Belgian embassy, and ask them what the conditions are for a visitor visa?

[Prawo]

If you stay with your wife in any of the 26 other EU countries for about six month, you can both come to The Netherlands under the same EU rules. Thus omitting the language test and the visa requirement.

Visit www.mixed-couples.eu and www.buitenlandsepartner.nl that have an English section and where you can find a handbook for the EU-route.

[Rozen]

Visit www.mixed-couples.eu and www.buitenlandsepartner.nl that have an English section and where you can find a handbook for the EU-route.

Bearing in mind that the handbook is in Dutch!

[Prawo]

Bearing in mind that the handbook is in Dutch!

So is his wife