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cdraina · Post by **cdraina** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:01 pm

hi Forum,

I got to know about my HSMP rejection today. I specifically requested for a courier pick-up, but my caseworker missed it and sent my documents by Airmail. So the long wait starts to know the reason for refusal (It takes long for the airmail to be delivered in INDIA).

In the meanwhile, I would request you all to share your views as to what could have gone wrong here.

My timelines:
---------------
Application Submitted: 4th July
Application reached HO: 9th July
Fee debited: 10th July
Got Reference Number and Payment confirmation: 11th July
Sent additional documents: 23rd July (BANK STATEMENT)
Assigned to caseworker: 25th July
Additional documents reached HO: 26th July
Decision: 30th July

DOCUMENTS SENT:
----------------------

FOR AGE: DRIVING LICENSE (20 points)

FOR QUAL: MBA DEGREE (35 points)

FOR EARNING: SAL SLIPS (signed+sealed), ITR, Original Bank Statement (30 points)

LANGUAGE: TOEFL (HSMP guideline mentions certificate equivalent to IELTS 6)

MyHSMPApplication · Post by **MyHSMPApplication** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:12 pm

Couple of things I would guess

a) FOR EARNING: SAL SLIPS (signed+sealed), ITR, Original Bank Statement (30 points)

Along with the above list you should have submitted a letter from your employer explaining the gross salary for the claimed period. There is a clause in the guidance note which states either Bank statement or Employer letter or Both. This could be one reason

b) TOFEL. I guess this will be considered only in exceptional circumstance. I don't know what exceptional circumstance you cited. Is this equivalent to IELTS band 6 score ?

Cheers
PG

cdraina · Post by **cdraina** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:19 pm

Hi PG,

For EARNING:

I had submitted the two primary evideces (IT Return and Pay slips), Bank statement was an additional document.

TOEFL: The link on ETS website claims that TOEFL is acceptable at HO:

http://www.eu.toefl.eu/toefl-sites/toef ... no_cache=1

I wonder which of the two things brought my case down

Cheers!
CD

vs007 · Post by **vs007** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:41 pm

it can also be possible that ITR being a new format for IT returns was not known to the Case worker and he was expecting saral form. In your covering letter did you mention the change

pktamil2007 · Post by **pktamil2007** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:43 pm

Hi cdraina,

Sorry to hear about your rejection.

It could be the ITR1 form which they didnt know or the Toefl being an exceptional evidence. Had you mentioned the reason for exceptional documents being submitted?

Regarding ITR1 form, I had today received a mail from HO stating that any changes in the international tax system would be communicated to all of them. The person who had mailed also mentioned that he would forward this to HSMP team. So it could be less likely on basis of ITR form and more of Toefl.

However once you receive your documents, you try applying for a review based on the reason for rejection.

All the best

suresh-hsmp · Post by **suresh-hsmp** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:09 pm

I dont see any problem with TOEFL, where the following link from home office confirming that its indeed equal to IELTS
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/workin ... _faq.html.

I am wondering whether you requested exceptional circumstance or not?

even you ticked under exceptional consideration, you must have to explain the reason --where H.O is very concern about the reasons for exceptional circumstances.

suresh-hsmp · Post by **suresh-hsmp** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:12 pm

please see FAQ no 39 at below link for TOEFL

http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/workin ... p_faq.html

cdraina · Post by **cdraina** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:28 pm

I just called the HO and got to know that my application has been refused due to TOEFL. They don't see it equivalent to IELTS.

I will apply for a review of the decision, quoting question 39 of the FAQ.

Many thanks Suresh, this is great help!

Cheers!
CD

vimg07 · Post by **vimg07** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:32 pm

cdraina,

From where did you do your MBA

vimg07 · Post by **vimg07** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:35 pm

cdraina

I understand for MBA you can claim 75 points but you have only claimed 35 points.

From where you have done your MBA...

cdraina · Post by **cdraina** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:38 pm

Hi Vimg,

I did my MBA from India and none of the Indian MBA's are covered in the list of institutes eligible for 75 points.

Hi All,

I plan to request a review, based on the link that Suresh has posted in this thread.

Thanks a lot Suresh.

This forum ROCKS!!!!

Cheers!
CD

vimg07 · Post by **vimg07** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:56 am

Hi I am not sure but i think MBA Might be the reason for rejection.

~J~ · Post by **~J~** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:44 am

Dear CD~

Sorry to hear about the refusal. Didnt expect it.
2 reasons i feel ~

1) when you submit TOEFL scores, you also need to send across a letter stating that so n so TOEFL score is equivalent to IELTS 6.0 and above. also, need to tick the exceptional evidence.

2) normally the HO guys dont disclose the desicion over the phone. So, I hope and pray that it must be mistake from them and you have a good surprise packege

(pretty lame thought)

cdraina · Post by **cdraina** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:20 am

Dear J,

Had a detailed discussion about my case with the customer representative.

I have been awarded points for the following sections:

Earning : awarded 25, claimed 30
Qualification: awarded 35, claimed 35
Age: awarded 20, claimed 20

Total: Awarded 80, claimed 85

Caseworker did not consider my TOEFL score (290/300) as equivalent to IELTS 6. HO has recently started accepting TOEFL scores and hence I guess the caseworker was not very familiar with its equivalence.

With reference to what Suresh has posted on this thread, I look forward to request for a review.

I just wish that your POINT 2 is true

Cheers!
CD

~J~ · Post by **~J~** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:14 am

Dear CD~

Hope that mail reaches you soon and you can make the review within 28 days.

as far as the point 2 is considered, thats positive thinking to the brim

wish you luck with your review. you have good chances of getting an approval, that assured!

archman · Post by **archman** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:11 am

hello cdraina,

though u claimed 85, is 80 points not sufficient for a successful decision? do they decide with the points claimed??

cdraina · Post by **cdraina** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:16 am

Hi Archman,

My application was refused since I submitted TOEFL for the English language critera.

I have been awarded points enough to clear the 75 points cut off.

Cheers!
CD

hsmp_aug · Post by **hsmp_aug** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:53 am

Hey CD.. this is really sad that HO does not pass on the relevant info to the caseworkers and create unnecessary delay for us..

I am also planning to apply this week and I am also planning to apply with my TOEFL score 293/300. I gave exam in Aug last year, so score is still valid.

Please let me know if you come across a solid reason of this refusal on basis of TOEFL.. I hope its not because of the CBT and IBT differences or because you gave the exam more than 2 years back.

In my cover letter, I am actually giving the link and copy paste of Q39 of hsmp faq. I hope the caseworker would read.

Please let me know if you have any other ideas..

cdraina · Post by **cdraina** » Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:51 am

I wrote to HO and they are not even ready to take a call on the incident.

Here's the mail that I wrote to HO guys and their VERY HELPFUL response:

MY MAIL:
=============================================
Dear HSMP Team,

Greetings!

My application details are as follows:

Full Name: XYZ
Reference number: 222XXX
Date of Birth: XXXX

I understand that my application was unsuccessful on the ground that my
TOEFL certificate was not considered an acceptable standard to satisfy
the English Language criteria. I have a TOEFL score of 290/300 and I
believe that such a score would be equivalent to a score of 6 on IELTS.

The following FAQ page on your website (Question No. 39) clearly
mentions that TOEFL is an acceptable certificate for HSMP
applications:
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/worki ... faq.html?

I understand that Home Office has recently started accepting TOEFL
certificates. Hence applications with TOEFL may not be as common, with
the caseworkers, as the applications with IELTS are. This perfectly
justifies the error in evaluation of my case.

I would request you to please suggest me how should this may be brought
to the notice of caseworkers and what should be my next steps?

Kind regards,

Applicant

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

MAIL FROM HO
=============================================
Dear Applicant,

If you feel that your application was wrongly assessed, you may now
apply for a review. The review request form can be downloaded from our
website and faxed to the below number. Reviews must be received within
28 days of the date on your decision letter.

Regards,

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

~J~ · Post by **~J~** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:42 am

any luck CD?

cdraina · Post by **cdraina** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:07 pm

looks like I have run out of luck

~J~ · Post by **~J~** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:11 pm

no reply for your review yet? or havent sent yet?

cdraina · Post by **cdraina** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:16 pm

Haven't requested a review yet!

~J~ · Post by **~J~** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:18 pm

oh aight!
am sending my application this weekend

pantaiema · Post by **pantaiema** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:30 pm

Dear cdraina

Is your TOEFL score is still less than 2 years old or is already over 2 years old ?.

-If is is over 2 years old and U r not working/living in the UK (or othe english native xountries) than you might forget Review and better you file up a new application with new IELTS.

- If less than 2 years old than you should try as you have nothing to loose. THis is actually still a gey area and each caseworker might have different interpretation.

Good luck with review

cdraina wrote:I wrote to HO and they are not even ready to take a call on the incident.

Here's the mail that I wrote to HO guys and their VERY HELPFUL response:

MY MAIL:
=============================================
Dear HSMP Team,

Greetings!

My application details are as follows:

Full Name: XYZ
Reference number: 222XXX
Date of Birth: XXXX

I understand that my application was unsuccessful on the ground that my
TOEFL certificate was not considered an acceptable standard to satisfy
the English Language criteria. I have a TOEFL score of 290/300 and I
believe that such a score would be equivalent to a score of 6 on IELTS.

The following FAQ page on your website (Question No. 39) clearly
mentions that TOEFL is an acceptable certificate for HSMP
applications:
http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/worki ... faq.html?

I understand that Home Office has recently started accepting TOEFL
certificates. Hence applications with TOEFL may not be as common, with
the caseworkers, as the applications with IELTS are. This perfectly
justifies the error in evaluation of my case.

I would request you to please suggest me how should this may be brought
to the notice of caseworkers and what should be my next steps?

Kind regards,

Applicant

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

MAIL FROM HO
=============================================
Dear Applicant,

If you feel that your application was wrongly assessed, you may now
apply for a review. The review request form can be downloaded from our
website and faxed to the below number. Reviews must be received within
28 days of the date on your decision letter.

Regards,

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

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