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No, sorry.wildeep wrote:my girlfriend came to england last year to study for a master's degree. her visa expires in Dec 2007. She is pregnant, due to give birth in January.
We want to stay together in the UK. Does the pregnancy affect her rights to stay in the UK?
No mate, not purely cos she's the baby's mother. For her to stay she'll have to have valid EC in some form, like student visa, fiancee visa etc...wildeep wrote:it seems like the baby will be a british citizen becuase I'm one and i'm the father. Does she have no rights to stay even though the baby does?
Another student visa? Might be difficult to attend tho with a baby so perhaps not a good idea especially as attendance is monitored.wildeep wrote:are there any other solutions apart from marriage?
I don't know how you could come to that conclusion - the 2006 changes altered the definition of "father" in section 50 of the Act and hence it applies to all types of acquisition of British citizenship.Dawie wrote:The British nationality act seems to only allow British citizenship by birth in the UK if the father is legally married to the mother at the time of the birth.
The recent changes in nationality law removing the need for the father to be legitimately married to the mother at the time of the childs birth if born after 1 July 2006 seem to only apply for British citizenship by decent.
Please take the time to read the previous posts. The answers to your questions are already there.limey wrote:Wilddeep: Can you clarify that you are a British citizen?
Also, do u have citizenship of any other European (EU) country?
thanks for the judgement...very helpful when you know nothing about the situaiton... our relationship is extremely difficult but we want to give it a chance without committing to marriage.ball1333 wrote:You love her enough to get her pregnant and you want her to stay in the UK...but you don't love her enough to marry her? Whoa.wildeep wrote:are there any other solutions apart from marriage?
jimquk wrote:I think the point is that the Home Office would only consider an application for your girlfriend to remain based on a permanent relationship, basically marriage. If you find people here to be judgmental, that's nothing to what you will get from the Home Office. Their attitude, quite simply, is why don't you go and live together in Peru?
I think it's really important to be realistic about this. Hope you can work things out.
That just doesn't make sense if its so difficult, then why get pregnant.wildeep wrote: thanks for the judgement...very ... but we want to give it a chance without committing to marriage.
Where a child of the relationship is a British citizen then it might be possible to make some kind of application based on humanitarian grounds (welfare of the child etc). Professional advice on this would be needed.bani wrote:I hope you find other options outside marriage. But if not, if I were in your shoes, I would marry her anyway. I would be very clear that it's a last option, that I'm not really sure yet she's the person I want end up with, but it's a way to keep her and my child in the country until she has permanent residency (2 years). Maybe the marriage would work out, if not, at least you were both honest and realistic about it from the very beginning. I realise this is exactly the kind of marriage the Home Office discourages. But it would be too cruel to send a girl back to her Catholic country with a child and no husband. Maybe Peru is more liberal than I think, but I still couldn't do it.
'Get pregnant' - Ever heard of unplanned pregnancy?That just doesn't make sense if its so difficult, then why get pregnant.
Unplanned pregnancy with married couples, surewildeep wrote:'Get pregnant' - Ever heard of unplanned pregnancy?That just doesn't make sense if its so difficult, then why get pregnant.
'If its so difficult' - Ever heard of relationships that were once straightforward but became complicated?!
i am very grateful to those who have offered practical responses to my situation. I am astounded that people feel they can add snide moral judgements when their information about the situation is based on a few sentences in an internet chat forum.
It's true we never know the full story but it's hard sometimes to answer the question without moralising, I think if this place was purely question and answer I think most of us would clear off. We've all developed our little personas here now with me and SYN being chief Grumpies.SYH wrote:Unplanned pregnancy with married couples, surewildeep wrote:'Get pregnant' - Ever heard of unplanned pregnancy?That just doesn't make sense if its so difficult, then why get pregnant.
'If its so difficult' - Ever heard of relationships that were once straightforward but became complicated?!
i am very grateful to those who have offered practical responses to my situation. I am astounded that people feel they can add snide moral judgements when their information about the situation is based on a few sentences in an internet chat forum.
If not married, ever heard of a condom?
If her parents were around, ever heard of shot gun wedding?
It isn't snide moral judgments, it is very practical and considered thoughts suggesting you act responsibly and deal with the consequences of your actions. So far no one has gotten snide but we can make an effort if you'd like to see the difference.
I just love you my cranky brother, Wanderer. Just making a point as you just did. CheersWanderer wrote: It's true we never know the full story but it's hard sometimes to answer the question without moralising, I think if this place was purely question and answer I think most of us would clear off. We've all developed our little personas here now with me and SYN being chief Grumpies.
I'm just answering ever post in a pathetic attempt to move off my lowly 'Sage' status onto 'Guru' level but 22:00 tonight....SYH wrote:I just love you my cranky brother, Wanderer. Just making a point as you just did. CheersWanderer wrote: It's true we never know the full story but it's hard sometimes to answer the question without moralising, I think if this place was purely question and answer I think most of us would clear off. We've all developed our little personas here now with me and SYN being chief Grumpies.