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chaoclive wrote:Calling probably won't be easy. Check their website. What Dnoutz said is correct. My civil partner has had visas for Spain and the Netherlands in this way, all for free and with very little documentation. These were issued in Beijing however, not in the UK.
chaoclive wrote:Calling probably won't be easy. Check their website. What Dnoutz said is correct. My civil partner has had visas for Spain and the Netherlands in this way, all for free and with very little documentation. These were issued in Beijing however, not in the UK.
No offence however I am looking for answers from SME's/experienced members or moderators tbh. For some reason a newbie's answer doesnt give me much confidence...haha!liksah wrote:You don't need another visa if your Schengen visa is printed without any exceptions (does it say "Valid only for Greece" ?).
I don't understand why you're asking here if you still want to double check with the consulate. Just do that if it gives you peace of mind. As far as anyone here is concerned, you're good to go until your visa expires unless you already stayed 90 days in a rolling 6 month period.
Source: Schengen Visa Handbook http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/po ... 620_en.pdf3.6. Supporting documents
In order to prove that the applicant has the right to be issued with an entry visa under the
Directive, he must establish that he is a beneficiary of the Directive. This is done by
presenting documents relevant for the purposes of the three questions referred to above, i.e.
proving that:
• there is an EU citizen from whom the visa applicant can derive any rights;
• the visa applicant is a family member (e.g. a marriage certificate, birth certificate,
proof of dependency, serious health grounds, durability of partnerships …) and his
identity (passport); and
• the visa applicant accompanies or joins an EU citizen (e.g. a proof that the EU
citizen already resides in the host Member State or a confirmation that the EU
citizen will travel to the host Member State).
It is an established principle of EU law in the area of free movement that visa applicants have
the right of choice of the documentary evidence by which they wish to prove that they are
covered by the Directive (i.e. of the family link, dependency …). Member States may,
however, ask for specific documents (e.g. a marriage certificate as the means of proving the
existence of marriage), but should not refuse other means of proof.
For further information in relation to the documentation, see Commission Communication
COM (2009) 313 final 26 .
This is really helpful! Shall go through this in detail. BTW when I went to Greece I had booked everything before the marriage so I applied for a standard tourist Schengen visa. When I applied for the Greek visa I put down single as I wasnt married then. I am not sure how they gave me a multi entry visa.Donutz wrote:You won't need a new visa untill your multiple entry visa (printed by the Greeks) expires.
When your visa expires in the future you could ask for a new visa, which should be free. Just like your visa to Greece should have been free if you IDed yourself as a family member joining the EU/EAA national. All embassy websites should have info on EU/EAA spouse, sadly not all do ( violating the EU rules).
If the EU webpage is not clear enough, check the freedom of movement act. 2004/38/EC.
See PDFs and check article 1-6: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 32004L0038
As far as supporting documents for EU/EAA spouse go:Source: Schengen Visa Handbook http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/po ... 620_en.pdf3.6. Supporting documents
In order to prove that the applicant has the right to be issued with an entry visa under the
Directive, he must establish that he is a beneficiary of the Directive. This is done by
presenting documents relevant for the purposes of the three questions referred to above, i.e.
proving that:
• there is an EU citizen from whom the visa applicant can derive any rights;
• the visa applicant is a family member (e.g. a marriage certificate, birth certificate,
proof of dependency, serious health grounds, durability of partnerships …) and his
identity (passport); and
• the visa applicant accompanies or joins an EU citizen (e.g. a proof that the EU
citizen already resides in the host Member State or a confirmation that the EU
citizen will travel to the host Member State).
It is an established principle of EU law in the area of free movement that visa applicants have
the right of choice of the documentary evidence by which they wish to prove that they are
covered by the Directive (i.e. of the family link, dependency …). Member States may,
however, ask for specific documents (e.g. a marriage certificate as the means of proving the
existence of marriage), but should not refuse other means of proof.
For further information in relation to the documentation, see Commission Communication
COM (2009) 313 final 26 .
Basically you will need your marriage document, passports of the applicant, passport of EU citizen, statement from the EU citizen and optionally but if possible a transport ticket reservation such as a ferry reservation from Dover to Calais.
Finally TLS (and VFS) are optional, direct access must be maintained and if the embassy does a proper job they do mention this.
Thank you! Would you know if it has been 90 days between my return from Greece and before my arrival in Paris that the Schengen MEV from Greece would be void? Hope I am making sense!Donutz wrote:You're welcome.
Ah good to hear you didn't get screwed over by the Greeks.
As a general rule of thumb embassies should consider issuing a multi entry visa on the third application: frequent and bona fite travellers can get a multiple entry visa (MEV). Depending on the embassy they may automstically give you a MEV on the third application for a Schengen visa. Some embassies are more difficult though and hand them out more rarely. Ofcours people can always request a MEV at any time which the embassy should then consider. Other embassies give MEV on the first or second application for certain types of applicants... So embassies have some room to maneuver here.
Currently the European Commission is working on new rules to automatically issue MEV on all third visa's:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-347_en.htm
Here what the visa stamp says;Donutz wrote:The visa itself doesn't become void it can only expire on the date printed. Aslong as you don't exceed 90 days over the past 180 days you are fine and can travel around the Schengen area untill the visa expires. When it does expire, get a new one for free.
Ok great, thanks for all your help! Is there any website that could affirm this. I totally believe what you have said however I wish to take a printout of something official to back me up in case I get an entry clearance officer who doesnt know the rules in detail (quite often the case) and tries to deny me entry.Donutz wrote:"Etats Schengen". That means it is valid in all Schengen states (including France) untill it expires in november.
I'll report your post though and ask if the passport number can be removed, I'd be careful with mentioning any unique details such as numbers tied to a specific person or application. Just to be on the save side.
Once again many thanks for your valuable inputs. I will go through this when I have a chance.Donutz wrote:Lol @ passport number.
Not sure if there is a very specific article that says "Schengen" means all member states. As fas as I know they simply talk about a common EU visa policy and "member states" , followed by some countries that opted out of all or some rules and further on detailing when and how to issue a visa with limited territorial validity. It has been a while since I read the entire code though, haven't learnt it by heart and don't plan on doing so. I am currently on a smartphone, but from a computer you could open the PDFs on the visa page or border policy page and search (ctrl F) for a keyword such as "Schengen" and what it means when printed in the sticker. I think you're being a bit too cautious but if you want to be 100% sure (for the extremely unlikely change you get into an argument at the border), check out the PDFs here:
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/wh ... dex_en.htm
Especiaaly the Visa Code and first handbook of 111 or so pages.