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Is this what you BOTH want, to make wedding plans without having met?(ii) can show that he intends to give notice of marriage or civil partnership, or marry or form a civil partnership, in the United Kingdom within the period for which entry is sought; and
(iii) can produce satisfactory evidence, if required to do so, of the arrangements for giving notice of marriage or civil partnership, or for his wedding or civil partnership to take place, in the United Kingdom during the period for which entry is sought;
The reason why that requirement is not listed there is because it is not a requirement for that visa. There are experts here, and you getting advice from some of them. That is a government website, and those websites these days are pretty well up-to-date (wasn't always the case, but they've improved).michaelionheart wrote:UGH i just don't even know who's answer is correct now.. SURELY it would be under eligibility?
https://www.gov.uk/marriage-visa/eligibility
PaperPusher wrote:Seriously, remember that you have not met. Perhaps you should both meet?
Well keep in mind that when this visa originally came into existence, it was often just the couples themselves coming over and tying the knot. Yet they managed these issues just fine.PaperPusher wrote: Where is this wedding going to be? How much will it cost? Who are the guests going to be?
PaperPusher wrote: I think it may affect the credibility of your plans if you have not met.
I think you're wrong. This is not at all in the spirit of this visa.PaperPusher wrote: Once married, what are your plans then? I think the question will be asked about why you haven't gone for a fiancé visa, and why you haven't met.
This is a critical point. They will very heavily scrutinize the respective finances, just like they do any visitor. I think this is going to be the biggest issue.PaperPusher wrote:If your future wife doesn't earn enough, you will have an uphill struggle showing you will leave the UK.
No, not at all, but you would have to convince the person that decides the application that you meet the requirements. The requirements include somewhat fuzzy words such as 'intends' which is up to the decision maker to decide if you satisfy them of this.michaelionheart wrote:So you're saying even though it's not a requirement and that we HAVEN'T met first that they would just deny me from going into the UK?
I don't call a system of marriages with disgusting levels of spousal rape, domestic violence, child marriage, abduction and slavery in to forced marriage, infanticide and foeticide of girls, forced marriage and family revenge murders successful personally.But if you look across the world, the countries and cultures with the lowest divorce rates are very often in societies where the married couples have met only once, or never, before getting married. Yet they manage successful long stable marriages.
A miracle.michaelionheart wrote:Random question but.. what would we need to prove that we have been in a relationship for 3 years now?
For the Marriage Visa, this will not be taken into consideration.michaelionheart wrote:So you're saying even though it's not a requirement and that we HAVEN'T met first that they would just deny me from going into the UK?
Yikes! I don't want to derail this thread, since I believe my comment was still somewhat on-topic. But do you consider a culture where 50% of the marriages end in divorce 'successful'? Because that's the current situation in my home culture of birth and upbringing, and we sure as heck don't consider that successful at all. And as painful as it may be for you to accept, there are plenty of marriages from these low-divorce-rate societies where the couples and their families are very happy. I know several myself, mostly inlaws. My original point was that we shouldn't have broad sweeping assumptions about the success of the OP's relationship in the long term based on whether they have met. Right now, he just needs and wants the opportunity to give it a try. The Marriage Visitor visa neither makes nor does it insist on any assumptions in this regards. So as far as that visa is concerned, we can leave that out of the discussion.PaperPusher wrote:I don't call a system of marriages with disgusting levels of spousal rape, domestic violence, child marriage, abduction and slavery in to forced marriage, infanticide and foeticide of girls, forced marriage and family revenge murders successful personally.But if you look across the world, the countries and cultures with the lowest divorce rates are very often in societies where the married couples have met only once, or never, before getting married. Yet they manage successful long stable marriages.
If they've got transcripts and records of their online chat, emails, and other correspondance, especially 3 years of such, then that will do just fine. I know this from personal experience.Wanderer wrote:A miracle.michaelionheart wrote:Random question but.. what would we need to prove that we have been in a relationship for 3 years now?
I think the biggest concern here is the finances. The general presumption for the Marriage Visitors visa, when one of the couple is resident in the UK, is that either the non-resident will come back to join his/her spouse in the UK shortly after, or the UK resident will leave to join his/her spouse in their home country shortly after or maybe even with him when he leaves to go back. It will be very obvious that the OP's wife-to-be currently has no chance of sponsoring her husband within the next six months, and very possibly for another year or so. So unless he presents some iron clad ties to the U.S. obviously preventing him from joining her immediately, or she shows that she is obviously progressing on the way to meeting the financial requirements (a recently acquired job and a bit of growing savings), I think the case worker may refuse the visa on that point of instability alone. One point of note here: She doesn't have to sponsor you for this visa. Her parents can. But this concern is still there nonetheless.Casa wrote:You're going to have to convince the Entry Officer that your relationship is genuine but you intend to return to the US after the wedding without overstaying your visa.
Spouse visa and your wife needs to earn £18,600 pa. Your earnings are not considered and neither are any third-party ones.michaelionheart wrote:Ok.. let's say i want to go the Fiance visa route.. what visa would i have to apply for after that so i can live with her permanently and be able to work.
It would not. In fact, it's harder. The Marriage Visitor is just a temporary visa for a short stay to get married and return to your own country. You might later immigrate to the UK, or she might later immigrate to the U.S., to be with her husband. It is presumed that one of those two things will happens shortly. The fiance/spouse visa route is for permanent immigration to the UK. Thus the higher standards.michaelionheart wrote:Then why would a Fiance visa be any easier than doing the Marriage Visitor visa?
How can i be trolling? i'm simply just ASKING a question, i'm sorry that i don't know EVERYTHING that you know.Wanderer wrote:I'm beginning to suspect a troll at work here......
It would not. In fact, it's harder. The Marriage Visitor is just a temporary visa for a short stay to get married and return to your own country. You might later immigrate to the UK, or she might later immigrate to the U.S., to be with her husband. It is presumed that one of those two things will happens shortly. The fiance/spouse visa route is for permanent immigration to the UK. Thus the higher standards.michaelionheart wrote:Then why would a Fiance visa be any easier than doing the Marriage Visitor visa?
You cannot switch to any other visa category from a visitor category, not even to a different visitor category. Attempting that switch in particular would be disastrous. Also, the Marriage Visitor visa by definition and nature can only be applied for from outside the UK.michaelionheart wrote:What's the difference between a Spouse visa and a Marriage visa? can't i just apply for the Marriage visa in the UK after we get married? http://www.workpermit.com/uk/marriage.htm
You were given the information about applying for residency after the wedding (on a fiance visa). You would only be able to apply for the extensions and permanent residence if the marriage was still subsisting. i.e if you separate before the end of the 5 years your spouse visa would be invalid and you would have to return to the US. Also you need to be aware that you will be unable to work legally until after your first extension on FLR(M) has been granted. If you apply by post this can take 3 months or more to process.Casa wrote:Your only option appears to be a fiance visa, assuming you intend to marry within 6 months of your arrival. Evidence would have to be submitted with the application that a marriage is being planned, together with proof of your fiancee having the financial income per annum of £18,600. After the wedding you would have to apply for Further Leave to Remain from within the UK. This would grant you an initial 2.5 year probationary visa, after which you would apply for an extension of 2.5 years before qualifying for permanent residency.
Bear in mind that the visa fees are considerable.
£885 for a fiance visa
£601 for each 2.5 year extension = £1202
£1,093 for permanent residency (ILR)
Yes but what i am saying is can't i switch to just the MARRIAGE visa from my Fiance visa? it says i can do that on the bottom of the Fiance visa page. "You should apply for a marriage visa from within the UK when you are married, and will then be eligible to work freely in the UK. " http://www.workpermit.com/uk/fiance.htmouflak1 wrote:You cannot switch to any other visa category from a visitor category, not even to a different visitor category. Attempting that switch in particular would be disastrous. Also, the Marriage Visitor visa by definition and nature can only be applied for from outside the UK.michaelionheart wrote:What's the difference between a Spouse visa and a Marriage visa? can't i just apply for the Marriage visa in the UK after we get married? http://www.workpermit.com/uk/marriage.htm
Edit:Ok, I think I misread your question. Applying for the Marriage Visitor visa after you're already married doesn't make any sense. Have you read my previous posts?
But this only applies if they've met, which they haven't yet.Casa wrote:You were given the information about applying for residency after the wedding (on a fiance visa). You would only be able to apply for the extensions and permanent residence if the marriage was still subsisting. i.e if you separate before the end of the 5 years your spouse visa would be invalid and you would have to return to the USCasa wrote:Your only option appears to be a fiance visa, assuming you intend to marry within 6 months of your arrival. Evidence would have to be submitted with the application that a marriage is being planned, together with proof of your fiancee having the financial income per annum of £18,600. After the wedding you would have to apply for Further Leave to Remain from within the UK. This would grant you an initial 2.5 year probationary visa, after which you would apply for an extension of 2.5 years before qualifying for permanent residency.
Bear in mind that the visa fees are considerable.
£885 for a fiance visa
£601 for each 2.5 year extension = £1202
£1,093 for permanent residency (ILR)