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Hi Amber, please i need you clarify for me, if after 28 day of determination received, if i make an (FP) Application, would that mean it is invalid, even though i have a british partner ?Amber wrote:You've been considered an overstayer since you were refused UTT leave to appeal if you do not have valid leave. You must apply within 28 days of the determination otherwise you'll have to leave.
@MPH80: YES we have been married for 2 years.MPH80 wrote:Are you married?
Can anyone please give me a number where i can call the HO on , i would like to confirm the status of my application. Thanks.icehouse256 wrote:@MPH80: YES we have been married for 2 years.MPH80 wrote:Are you married?
@Amber, NO We don't have any children yet.Amber wrote:Do you have children?
Yes I have applied under the FLR(FP) 10 yrs route. We applied on May 12th, HO already have my English language certificate and my wife earns £19000, we submitted 7 months pay slips plus bank statements. What are our chances even though we don't have any children ?Amber wrote:You can try FLR(FP) without valid leave, the 10 year partner route. There may now be an English and Financial Requirement.
@Amber: Thanks for the info....We don't know if what we stated was enough an insurmountable circumstance. I stated with prescription some health issues that i had been going through, plus the fact that my wife has been here ever since she was 10 yrs old and she doesn't have any family in my home country. As for me, i explained to them that the only person whom i knew was my late grandmother, and i specified the strong relationship i have with my wife's family and how much they have become my only family.Amber wrote:Good insofar as there are insurmountable obstacles to family life continuing outside the UK.
3.2.7c Assessing whether there are insurmountable obstacles
In determining whether there are “insurmountable obstacles”, the decision maker should consider the seriousness of the difficulties which the applicant and their partner would face in continuing their family life outside the UK, and whether they entail something that could not (or could not reasonably be expected to) be overcome, even with a degree of hardship for one or more of the individuals concerned.
The decision maker should look at whether there is an inability to live in the country concerned. The focus should also be on the family life which would be enjoyed in the country to which the applicant would be returned, not a comparison to the life they would enjoy were they to remain in the UK.
Lack of knowledge of a language spoken in the country in which the couple would be required to live would not usually amount to an insurmountable obstacle. It is reasonable to conclude that the couple must have been conversing in a commonly understood language whilst in the UK. Therefore, it is reasonable for that to continue outside the UK, whether or not the partner seeks to learn a/the language spoken in the country of proposed return.
The factors which might be relevant to the consideration of whether an insurmountable obstacle exists include but are not limited to:
(a) Ability of family to lawfully enter and stay in another country. The decision maker should consider the ability of the parties to lawfully enter and stay in the country concerned. However, the onus should be on the applicant to show that this is not possible in order for this to amount to an insurmountable obstacle. A mere wish/desire/preference to live in the UK would not amount to an insurmountable obstacle.
(b) Cultural and religious barriers. This might be relevant in situations where the partner would be so disadvantaged as for it to be unreasonable to expect them to live in that country. The test is a high one. It must be a barrier which either cannot be overcome or is unreasonable to expect a person to overcome.
(c) The impact of a mental or physical disability. Whether or not either party has a mental or physical disability, a move to another country may involve a normal period of hardship as the person adjusts to their new surroundings. But a physical or mental disability could in some circumstances mean that the degree of hardship which would be experienced by the person would be unreasonable to the extent that it amounts to an insurmountable obstacle.
Thanks for the info Amber, Hoping on God for a favorable outcome soon.Amber wrote:3.2.7c Assessing whether there are insurmountable obstacles
In determining whether there are “insurmountable obstacles”, the decision maker should consider the seriousness of the difficulties which the applicant and their partner would face in continuing their family life outside the UK, and whether they entail something that could not (or could not reasonably be expected to) be overcome, even with a degree of hardship for one or more of the individuals concerned.
The decision maker should look at whether there is an inability to live in the country concerned. The focus should also be on the family life which would be enjoyed in the country to which the applicant would be returned, not a comparison to the life they would enjoy were they to remain in the UK.
Lack of knowledge of a language spoken in the country in which the couple would be required to live would not usually amount to an insurmountable obstacle. It is reasonable to conclude that the couple must have been conversing in a commonly understood language whilst in the UK. Therefore, it is reasonable for that to continue outside the UK, whether or not the partner seeks to learn a/the language spoken in the country of proposed return.
The factors which might be relevant to the consideration of whether an insurmountable obstacle exists include but are not limited to:
(a) Ability of family to lawfully enter and stay in another country. The decision maker should consider the ability of the parties to lawfully enter and stay in the country concerned. However, the onus should be on the applicant to show that this is not possible in order for this to amount to an insurmountable obstacle. A mere wish/desire/preference to live in the UK would not amount to an insurmountable obstacle.
(b) Cultural and religious barriers. This might be relevant in situations where the partner would be so disadvantaged as for it to be unreasonable to expect them to live in that country. The test is a high one. It must be a barrier which either cannot be overcome or is unreasonable to expect a person to overcome.
(c) The impact of a mental or physical disability. Whether or not either party has a mental or physical disability, a move to another country may involve a normal period of hardship as the person adjusts to their new surroundings. But a physical or mental disability could in some circumstances mean that the degree of hardship which would be experienced by the person would be unreasonable to the extent that it amounts to an insurmountable obstacle.