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It happens all the timejohnsienk wrote:Hi.
First things first: I am amazed by the number of folks seemingly coming here for (possibly life changing) information that provide little (if any) information regarding their particular case. Sorry, had to get if off my chest...
Now. I am curious about your case (not least becaue my wife is Chinese, we got married in the UK, and I am a EU national).
What nationality are you? If you are not a Brit, what type of visa are you on? Is your partnet in the UK? What visa is she on? How did you meet (sorry, relevant) How long have you known each other? More about the reasons for refusal? Just some of the question that come to my mind...
Sorry mate but to clarify:bill40 wrote:crikey! i am a uk national and my wife is in China. We met on the internet in January 2006. I was lucky enough to meet my wife in October 2006 and we had a full traditional chinese wedding in February 2007. I have not felt my wife's embrace for nearly six months now.
However during our courtship i was forced to postpone my trip to china several times, owing to work pressure, during which time she gave up on me and applied for a visitors visa to Germany which was refused, no reason given as they dont have to.
My wife told only the truth to the Entry Clearance Officer and made it plain that if the visa had been granted i would have been history had it worked out betwen them. i selfishly thank god that visa was refused.
but because of this the ECO refuses to accept the marriage subsists despite the fact we chat daily on msn and representations from my MP and MEP have fallen on deaf ears.
I am in that horrible middle road of not being able to affford a lawyer and i do not qualify for legal aid. I am also arguing over no case of law law but the ECO's opinion and nothing else.
what can i say at the appeal?
Hmm, sorry mate but I'd have gone with the ECO based on what you've told us - she seems to be looking for a passport to the West.bill40 wrote:no this was before we married she thought with good reason i was a time waster. i have to admit i also had a plan b. the internet is great but until you physically meet someone you can never know if it is right.
i have neither the time or the money to travel to china on a regular basis so if we were wrong i would simply move on as would she. there are always multiple people you chat with on the internet but we chose each other and crave to be together. it felt right the moment we met and it also seemed fate played its hand too.
Qian Li, my wife, is very traditional and has known (in the biblical sense) no man outside marriage.
I'll take a low profile on this one, I think.bill40 wrote:thank you for that but...
her english improves almost daily i have little ability for languages. we met twice once to see if we were an "item and once again to marry. and yes given the opportunity we would have married in the same time scale regardless. i amm 44 she is 38 so there is no case of trophy wife here.
she also owns her own home and has more assets than i do
Times have changed haven't they. Many cultures you do not meet, it is arranged so the internet is not too far from that. I personally don't have a problem or find it strange this manner of meeting and wanting to marry someone, however as you point it, it is immigration you have to convince. TadahWanderer wrote:I'll take a low profile on this one, I think.bill40 wrote:thank you for that but...
her english improves almost daily i have little ability for languages. we met twice once to see if we were an "item and once again to marry. and yes given the opportunity we would have married in the same time scale regardless. i amm 44 she is 38 so there is no case of trophy wife here.
she also owns her own home and has more assets than i do
I personally could not marry or even get close to someone I couldn't converse with. I met my partner on the internet, but I wasn't looking for love, I was looking to improve my Russian and my perception of Russian literature. Things for us grew out of that but as her English is superb we've always been able to converse fully and more importantly talk about things in a deep and meaningful way.
I had the company of one her Russian friends here in the UK recently on a visitor visa, pretty soon. 'hello', 'pretty cars' and 'many of house' wore very thin...
Like I say, better lie low on this, this is immgration not relationships!
Good luck mate
Well you can't! Unless it's baby talk. You sound like a simpleton to her and she the same with you.bill40 wrote:why do you think we cant converse? all it takes is a little extra patience. and why do EU nationals seem to have more rights than i do as a Uk national. i am only asking.
Actually whatever country you are citizen of whether in the uk or europe, it is harder to bring a partner in than if they were residing in a country other than the country of citizenshipWanderer wrote:Well you can't! Unless it's baby talk. You sound like a simpleton to her and she the same with you.bill40 wrote:why do you think we cant converse? all it takes is a little extra patience. and why do EU nationals seem to have more rights than i do as a Uk national. i am only asking.
It's my opinion only but I want to speak about deep inner feelings, childhood events causing possible adult issues, you need language for that.
And not only language, culture. How can you express cultural differences while soundig like a moron to the other person?
You cannot know a person without language. Again, my opinion...
I think by EU rights you mean exercising of treaty rights and EEA family permit. I too struggled with this one, my reasoning for it is:
1. It's basically for those EU citizens who find themselves in a realtionship with a non-EU national whilst working (or whatever) in another EU state.
Let's say, for example, you where working in Germany. You met a Chinese national studying there and fell in love. what can u to immigration-wise? Well u cant use UK rules, cos ur not in UK, so the EU rules apply. Which are less strict that ours, but shit happens.
You cant hold your accusers accountable, as they arent charging you with a crime, although if you got the visa, and they determined you were in a sham marriage, I guess they could charge you with something. Anyway, it is a procedural denial basis so I am not sure what you are looking for with holding them accountable for something. I suggest you move on with any issues of outrage you have and try to deal with the situaton as john suggests if you want to have any successbill40 wrote:this is my situation. i have a choice, blow all the mad money i have on lawyers or represent myself so i can at least visit china while i wait for the next step of appeal for i will never give up.
can anybody here answer my questions? 1) what is it the appeal board want to hear from me 2) which other uk citizen has been accused of a sham marriage, what happened? and 3) as i am being accused of a criminal offence how can i hold my accusers accountable?
any answers will be gratefully acknowledged.
what do you mean they don't do these things.nonothing wrote:i'm chinese too. sorry mate hearing your story.
from your posts, it does look she's trying to get a visa to the west. she was dating different guys from the west in different countries on the internet. she was happy to marry you even if you guys have only met once.
you say she's very traditional. but a traditional chinese woman dosen't do above things.
We're not experts, if you want one of those then u pay for it.bill40 wrote:does anybody here know anything? any case law, any experience? any bloody anything?
do you actually achieve anything other than wallow in someone else's misery. what bit of the word help dont you understand?