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Minister Alan Shatter is non Irish? Janet is not going to be Irish? your Irish passport does not make you Irish!!!??????banana07 wrote: any non irish IS immigrant, whether yesterday or 200 years ago.. and that is not a shameful thing, its actually showing how immigrants can be successful wherever they land!
His parents originally from poland and russia, and got naturalised by british - so they were immigrants (exactly like you) even to UK! then immigrants again in IE..bebo1901 wrote:again same question to you janet where did you get from that shatter is an immigrant? wikipedia says his family were visiting ireland and gave birth to him here. no no to me when u receive your cert of naturalisation in 2 weeks you are called an Irish citizen. it is not my place to call u immigrant or not. so it is definitely not appropriate to call a previous minister of Justice an immigrant. i did say my opinion about them ministers and that shatter is not an immigrant. i am sorry i will not go into arguments again on this forum. clearly you guys come here to fight not to learn or seek advices, you are just making people leave this forum as i can see. no one is going to bother to register and post their experiences if people on here are just gonna be offensive towards each other! you are calling the minister of justice who gave thousands of people the irish citizenship an immigrant and you are asking me in an offensive way 'your definition of immigrant'!
again.. another false statement by you.. i said any non irish is immigrant.. did i say Alan is non irish? fancy basic english courses?bebo1901 wrote:Minister Alan Shatter is non Irish? Janet is not going to be Irish? your Irish passport does not make you Irish!!!??????banana07 wrote: any non irish IS immigrant, whether yesterday or 200 years ago.. and that is not a shameful thing, its actually showing how immigrants can be successful wherever they land!
any admin here to read this please. thank you.
You are 100% right in all your comments about shatter, shatter is an irish in respective of the view of his parents. If we go back to history of 500yrs back, then we will call most people living in the uk and ireland immigrants. Vickings, romans, saxons, etc. Many that invaded these island never left. They became kings, counts and royals ahd their children children's are still living here today. But you can never know bcus the invaders are white, married to locals and blend in after living many years on the island. By law, if you were born in the island of ireland at the time of shatter you are an irish, also a british on the island of ireland is not an immigrant by the view of law same to irish in the uk.bebo1901 wrote:Do not call any person who holds a passport based on his colour/sex/origin, non citizen of that country.
the reason why you had to dig about Shatter in the first place is the reason why you think he is not Irish. to me he is just Irish. you see the full stop there?
you shouldn't be seen as anything but irish after 22 of september, and if anyone told u otherwise, just put your passport in his facejanet0001 wrote:@Bebo, I understand where u're coming from,its of a noble stance,but we live in a world where only Aboriginals are regarded as indigen,hence the difference.U'll notice that prior to 2005,any1 born in ireland take up Irish citizenship automatically.This should be a model adopted with reasoning,but it has all changed and the child take his/her parent nationality unless they've been residing in ireland legally for a period of 3 yrs out of last 4. I'm gonna be Irish citizen in 2 weeks time,but I understand that I'm always gonna be seen as immigrant and none indigen,but a naturalised citizen. It is the way of the world my friend.But I understand ur anger towards such stupendous notion.