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Well, to the true criminal, why pay if you can con your way? Con man/woman don't care if they cause heartache anyway.clairey wrote:As he pointed out to me, if he was that desperate to stay here, he would have paid a girl to marry him, rather than put me and his family through a lot of heartache.
The UK didn't 'wage war' on Serbia. Serbia waged war on ethnic minorities in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo. Nato targetted air strikes on Serbia and Kosovo in 1999, the UN went in to keep the peace.I suppose the UK is paying the price for waging an unjust war on Serbia
Try explaining that to the average Serb..It all depends on which side of the political divide you belong to.The West has always viewed the Serbs as adversaries (mainly because they have traditionally aligned themselves with the Russians due to cultural/linguistic ties) & the intervention in Kosovo was part of the campaign to destory the Serb state, as retribution for resisting Western hegemony in the Balkans. The campaign has since continued, with the outrageous referendum in Montenegro, supported by the West & the large Albanian minority being only the latest step towards the annihalation of the Serbian nation.Marie B wrote:The UK didn't 'wage war' on Serbia. Serbia waged war on ethnic minorities in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo. Nato targetted air strikes on Serbia and Kosovo in 1999, the UN went in to keep the peace.I suppose the UK is paying the price for waging an unjust war on Serbia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5165042.stm
Well, on the question of paying someone to get married for the purposes of obtaining ILR, you might be aware that its not as straightforward as it might seem. In order to be successful- a) One would have to find a girl who is willing to risk prosecution by entering into such an agreement b) It`ll probably cost a lot of money c) one would have to obtain a CoA, which would be difficult if the girl has dodgy antecedents c) most importantly, one would have to prove that the marriage is genuine by producing proof like joint bills, mortgage payments etc spread over a couple of years before settlement is granted.clairey wrote:Wanderer, I see your point. Those who actively seek out a partner of a certain nationality for immigration purposes can indeed be very ruthless. I actually asked my husband when we were first going out if he was with me for immigration purposes. As he pointed out to me, if he was that desperate to stay here, he would have paid a girl to marry him, rather than put me and his family through a lot of heartache.
Judging by the OP's experience, heartache is no issue to such con men. Also, bigamy is allowed in their societies so having an extra wife probably doesn`t trouble their conscience either. I personally know of someone who had a very similar experience (where the husband brought his 'real' wife over as soon as he was granted indefinite leave & subsequently started physically & emotinally abusing his British wife until she left.this was around 15 years ago so he was never really brought to justice)ismangil wrote:Well, to the true criminal, why pay if you can con your way? Con man/woman don't care if they cause heartache anyway.clairey wrote:As he pointed out to me, if he was that desperate to stay here, he would have paid a girl to marry him, rather than put me and his family through a lot of heartache.
I would grant however that a con man/woman that can keep a deep cover of being a good spouse and parent for three or more years is definitely Spooks material!
Jimquk,Kindly note that I did not start discussing Balkan politics out of nowehre but was just responding to a comment made by one of the other posters. The West fought alongside Russia & Serbia in 1914 (WW1) and in 1941, when Germany invaded Soviet Union. However, that was followed by over 50 years of bitter hostilities which brought the whole planet to the brink of nuclear war on several occasions.Despite the end of the Cold war, suspicions still exist between the West & what is left of the Russian camp, which Serbia/Belarus/anyone else who is not pro Western forms part of. In 200 years time, historians would not be debating what happened between 1992-2001 but, say, between the end of WW2 & 2050. From what I can see, the NATO bloc is still engaged in a power struggle with its old adversary to the East & the recent NATO/EU expansion, NATO intervention in Kosovo, energy disptes, propping up of Western leaning govts in former Soviet satellite states etc should be viewed in that context.jimquk wrote:Thirdwave, this isn't really the place to discuss Balkan politics, but your characterisation of the Kosovo conflict as "Islamist" is in my opinion absurd - as absurd as claiming that Russia has special linguistic and cultural ties to Serbia, given that 90% of Serb language and culture is identical to that of Croatia and Bosnia. Also you state that "the West has always viewed the Serbs as adversaries - well obviously not in 1914 0r 1941.
I also find your coments on Somalis and Albanians highly objectionable. Yes, there are a lot of both those nationalities involved in crime. Actually, what both countries have in common is years and years of mismanagement. Any country that is economically and socially smashed will produce criminals. It's not because the people are Albanian or whatever, it's because of historical factors in which our so civilised Western countries often have a hand. I'm not saying this to excuse bad behaviour, least of all the case raised by the Original Poster (in case we forget what this thread is supposed to be about!), but your attitude of lumping people together can only make things worse.
Sharon, I am sorry to hear about yor daughter's experience but, as many have pointed out, your options might be quite limited given the circumstances. Personally, I would regard as suspicious anyone who marries a resident but does not have a decent enough occupation which would allow him/her to stay in this country in their own right, as there is a high probability that things might turn out the way they did with your daughter.sharonteresa wrote:There have been a lot of interesting comments and suggestions.... please dont turn this thread into a battle ground!!!!
That will not help my daughter and that is the original reason i posted this - to show my daughter suggestions on what she can or cannot do
thanks
Bigamy is allowed in their societies?? I can't comment about Somalia, but it is certainly not allowed in Albanian society! Where did you get that information from?thirdwave wrote:Judging by the OP's experience, heartache is no issue to such con men. Also, bigamy is allowed in their societies so having an extra wife probably doesn`t trouble their conscience either. I personally know of someone who had a very similar experience (where the husband brought his 'real' wife over as soon as he was granted indefinite leave & subsequently started physically & emotinally abusing his British wife until she left.this was around 15 years ago so he was never really brought to justice)
sharonteresa, I apologise for hi-jacking your thread. I can only suggest that you follow the advice of previous posters and report his behaviour to the BIA, and then allow them to take it from there. Also chase him for child support.sharonteresa wrote:There have been a lot of interesting comments and suggestions.... please dont turn this thread into a battle ground!!!!
That will not help my daughter and that is the original reason i posted this - to show my daughter suggestions on what she can or cannot do
thanks
Absolutely, as I said this is not the place, nor does it help the OP. However, it is hard to leave such imflammatory comments unanswered. I would only add that, although I have a radically different interpretation from Thirdwave's (and yes I am aware that Croats are Catholic, etc) I am not anti-Serb; on the contrary, I feel that they are also victims of the various blood-lettings of 1912, 1914, 1941 and 1992, and that the break-up of Yugoslavia is a tragedy.I hope we can end the direction this debate seems to be moving into now.
Although the commies banned polygamy in Albania, its still widely practised in rural areas. Infact, one of the main concerns of the erstwhile Serb regime in relation to Kosovo was the high feritility rates among Kosovar women & the widespread practice of polygamy leading to a surge in the Albanian population in Serbia, which the authorities (quite rightly) felt would overwhelm the majority Serbs in the longer term.clairey wrote:Bigamy is allowed in their societies?? I can't comment about Somalia, but it is certainly not allowed in Albanian society! Where did you get that information from?thirdwave wrote:Judging by the OP's experience, heartache is no issue to such con men. Also, bigamy is allowed in their societies so having an extra wife probably doesn`t trouble their conscience either. I personally know of someone who had a very similar experience (where the husband brought his 'real' wife over as soon as he was granted indefinite leave & subsequently started physically & emotinally abusing his British wife until she left.this was around 15 years ago so he was never really brought to justice)
Jim, I apologise if you found my comments offensive. Your take on history is obviously different to mine & maybe we should leave it at that & move on..jimquk wrote:Archigabe said:Absolutely, as I said this is not the place, nor does it help the OP. However, it is hard to leave such imflammatory comments unanswered. I would only add that, although I have a radically different interpretation from Thirdwave's (and yes I am aware that Croats are Catholic, etc) I am not anti-Serb; on the contrary, I feel that they are also victims of the various blood-lettings of 1912, 1914, 1941 and 1992, and that the break-up of Yugoslavia is a tragedy.I hope we can end the direction this debate seems to be moving into now.
To Sharonteresa, I commend your dignity in dealing with everything, and with us argumentative lot!