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It's terrible to hear your tale Yasir. I guess that you need to give more detail in this forum for others to be able to chip in regarding the issue. I am more or less in a same boat. Got married (arranged) this year in February and going to find out about the outcome next week. But as per the guideline they have indicated that they will take into consideration certain cultural practices around the world when considering the genuineness of subsisting relationship i.e. arrange marriage. I have myself provided absolutely no communication proof prior to the marriage as we didn't know each other prior to the marriage. Did you apply soon after the marriage or have you waited few months/years? Are there any peculiar reasons for them to suspect on your case? I assuming that you have applied from the South East Asia where the arrange marriage are common practice. Refusing on the basis of arrange marriage is simply unjust and should be legally challenged at the Highest available legal institution! All the best though. In my opinion you should challenge the decision further rather than reapplying and take it to European Legal institution if you have to. All the bestyasirali171 wrote:Dear All,
Last Week my wife appeal has been dismissed by FtT, i have already wasted 2 years waiting for the hearing. And the Judge didnt even let me speak and say what i wanted to. However i cant decide should i go for UtT or submit a new application. I am under the fear, if i submit fresh application and they refuse on the same grounds i.e. marriage is not subsisting what will i do then i have to go to appeal again, on the other hand if i apply for UtT and some how the application is approved for hearing and then after another year wait it is dismissed what will i do then. On the day of my hearing i have provided them with all relevant doc. i.e. chat history for whole year, travel tickets, more pictures and the visits that i have made while my appeal was under process. however they have not considered anything they have dismissed the appeal on the basis of why there are no proof that you had met before your marriage i explained them i didn't it was completely organized by our parents but they are not willing to accept this. Second they have said why there was no chat between us for the first two months after the marriage whereas i explained i extracted what ever i could have ( i know i was wrong here, but my mistake was i left it very late and the day i started extracting chat it didnt had that history). one of the other reason was why my wife still has her parents address on her bank account which i explained as she hold the account with that bank before marriage and she lives at both the places her parents and mine but the answer to them wasnt satisfactory.
Please advise me what should i do from here, in a real mess:-(
Regards,
Yasir
Dear All!alil2014 wrote:@yasir
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mooty wrote:yasirali171 wrote:Dear All!alil2014 wrote:@yasir
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As my husband posted that my spouse visa request has been dismissed by FtT. Some friends asked for more details regarding this. So I am going to post some more details as follow:
* I applied for spouse visa from Pakistan after eight months of our marriage.
* our marriage is totally arranged marriage and the decision was taken by our parents.
* we are Muslims and also Pakistanis and in our religion and culture the bride and groom do not meet before nikkah. So there is no proof of meeting before marriage.
* we provided our nikkah nama with translation, certificate of marriage issued by NADRA, some photographs of our marriage, the new id card having the name of my husband and his parents home address in Pakistan.
* moreover we also attached pay slips of my husband, his bank statement, his copy of visa and passport, letter from employer company and rent agreement.
* one mistake which we done was that we forgot to attach the copy of complete passport of my husband which showed that he visited Pakistan during those dates. That is the main reason of their refusal.
* then we appealed in FtT and this time we provided complete copy of his passport, photographs of our marriage and also honeymoon. Photographs with his family members- his parents, sisters and nephews and niece.
* also we provided our wedding invitation card, receipts of things and hotel where we stayed when Yasir visited Pakistan during our appeal.
* bank statement of my bank account which opened with my changed name and home address.
* this time Yasir also attached bank receipts of those transactions which he made in my old account having the address of my parents home.
* moreover Yasir also provided chat history of viber and Skype from Feb, 2013 to till date.
* but this time the objections are why the chat history is not completed as it should be from April,2013 to onward. Also they objected my home address.
* as you all know, the history of chat retains maximum for one year, that's why we are unable to provide chat history from April,2013. And I married with Yasir by the consent of my parents, so there is no need to change my bank account address as my parents and inlaws live in same city and this address is also written in our nikkah nama.
yasirali171 wrote:Dear All!alil2014 wrote:@yasir
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As my husband posted that my spouse visa request has been dismissed by FtT. Some friends asked for more details regarding this. So I am going to post some more details as follow:
* I applied for spouse visa from Pakistan after eight months of our marriage.
* our marriage is totally arranged marriage and the decision was taken by our parents.
* we are Muslims and also Pakistanis and in our religion and culture the bride and groom do not meet before nikkah. So there is no proof of meeting before marriage.
* we provided our nikkah nama with translation, certificate of marriage issued by NADRA, some photographs of our marriage, the new id card having the name of my husband and his parents home address in Pakistan.
* moreover we also attached pay slips of my husband, his bank statement, his copy of visa and passport, letter from employer company and rent agreement.
* one mistake which we done was that we forgot to attach the copy of complete passport of my husband which showed that he visited Pakistan during those dates. That is the main reason of their refusal.
* then we appealed in FtT and this time we provided complete copy of his passport, photographs of our marriage and also honeymoon. Photographs with his family members- his parents, sisters and nephews and niece.
* also we provided our wedding invitation card, receipts of things and hotel where we stayed when Yasir visited Pakistan during our appeal.
* bank statement of my bank account which opened with my changed name and home address.
* this time Yasir also attached bank receipts of those transactions which he made in my old account having the address of my parents home.
* moreover Yasir also provided chat history of viber and Skype from Feb, 2013 to till date.
* but this time the objections are why the chat history is not completed as it should be from April,2013 to onward. Also they objected my home address.
* as you all know, the history of chat retains maximum for one year, that's why we are unable to provide chat history from April,2013. And I married with Yasir by the consent of my parents, so there is no need to change my bank account address as my parents and inlaws live in same city and this address is also written in our nikkah nama.
HXM,HXM872 wrote:Hi yasir,yasirali171 wrote:alil2014 wrote:@yasir
Thanks for the detail. May Allah give you patience and hopefully you will get the visa soon. I had a query if you could please help me with your experience so far. I recently got married in Pakistan. I live in Uk and my wife is living in Pakistan at the moment. On my nikkah nama, nikah khawan wanted a pakistani address so he wrote my relatives pakistani address. Now recently, my wife got her NIC card changed to husbands name and on her NIC card permanent address has been stated to be my relatives address which was on my nikkah nama. In addition to that, her NIC card states the temporary address to be her grandmother's address rather than the actual address where she lives with her parents which was stated on the NIkkah nama as well.
I am pretty confused with the addresses and worried that it may create a problem. I was wondering may be if you could advice me from your experience ?
Dear Ali, no we are not together in UK. she is in pak while i am in UK whereas when i mention inlaws what i mean she spent most of the time staying with my parents backhome i.e. in pak or her parents again in Pak. Guys please suggest me how should i take this forwards the only thing i am trying to save here is time and ofcourse money. So should i go for UtT or new visit application or new dependent application? Really soo confused at the moment because can see my self entering in the same mess.alil2014 wrote:.
Dear Obie, Please advise how long it takes for the appeal to go through FtT and then to be heard by UtT. In other words process duration if the appeal is dismissed by FtT and then to be submitted to UtT. Please advise at the earliest possible as we have to make decision now for how we are going to get on with the refusal.Obie wrote:
I think it would be foolish to challenge the rules derived from the culture of the country that you wish to settle in. Given the fact that the intent of the couple would be to settle in the UK, one must attempt to adapt oneself to the UK's culture, while adhering to one's own culture.Refusing on the basis of arrange marriage is simply unjust and should be legally challenged at the Highest available legal institution!
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