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3months on, don't need tourist visa any more, what to do?

Post by rachelm1 » Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:03 am

Hi all,

My partner applied for a schengen visa from the Belgian Embassy just over 3 months ago.
Before applying we were given written assurance from the embassy that the visa would take a maximum of 4 weeks and that booking our flights to travel on 4th December would be no problem at all.
We were travelling to the UK, so hoped to add a trip to Belgium onto this trip, but the visa was NOT ready time.
We have since returned from our trip to the UK, but have STILL not heard anything from the Belgian embassy and now it's 5th Feb - more than 3 months since the application was submitted.

According to article 8.1 of the EU Handbook on Visa applications, "Only exceptionally, where additional documentation is required, the deadline may be extended up to a maximum of 60 calendar days". Therefore it seems that the embassy have failed to meet the EU requirements, not to mention the information they initially gave us about the visa taking a maximum of 4 weeks, which turned out to be incorrect.


I'm now wondering what we should do and what our entitlements are?
Can we cancelled the visa?
Are we entitled to a refund?
As he had to take a flight to get to the embassy, could he be entitled to a refund on his travel costs?
Who can we complain to about this shoddy treatment??


Any information gratefully received.

Thank you

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Re: 3months on, don't need tourist visa any more, what to do

Post by ALKB » Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:49 am

rachelm1 wrote:Hi all,

My partner applied for a schengen visa from the Belgian Embassy just over 3 months ago.
Before applying we were given written assurance from the embassy that the visa would take a maximum of 4 weeks and that booking our flights to travel on 4th December would be no problem at all.
We were travelling to the UK, so hoped to add a trip to Belgium onto this trip, but the visa was NOT ready time.
We have since returned from our trip to the UK, but have STILL not heard anything from the Belgian embassy and now it's 5th Feb - more than 3 months since the application was submitted.

According to article 8.1 of the EU Handbook on Visa applications, "Only exceptionally, where additional documentation is required, the deadline may be extended up to a maximum of 60 calendar days". Therefore it seems that the embassy have failed to meet the EU requirements, not to mention the information they initially gave us about the visa taking a maximum of 4 weeks, which turned out to be incorrect.


I'm now wondering what we should do and what our entitlements are?
Can we cancelled the visa?
Are we entitled to a refund?
As he had to take a flight to get to the embassy, could he be entitled to a refund on his travel costs?
Who can we complain to about this shoddy treatment??


Any information gratefully received.

Thank you
How did you travel to the UK if the Belgian Embassy still has his passport?

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Re: 3months on, don't need tourist visa any more, what to do

Post by rachelm1 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:21 am

The embassy don't keep the passport, you bring it to the embassy to be stamped once the visa is ready

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Re: 3months on, don't need tourist visa any more, what to do

Post by ALKB » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:05 pm

rachelm1 wrote:The embassy don't keep the passport, you bring it to the embassy to be stamped once the visa is ready

That's different from any procedure for a short term Schengen visa I have ever come across.

Is your partner an unmarried partner or are you married?

Have you asked for an update once the 15 days that an application of the spouse of an EU national should take were up?

If you are unmarried partners, are you registered as unmarried partners in your country of residence or are you simply living together? How did you evidence this?

If you are not married, Belgium does not accept unmarried partnerships for visa purposes, as far as I know.

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Re: 3months on, don't need tourist visa any more, what to do

Post by rachelm1 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:54 pm

Well we only realised later that his visa should have been processed within 15days, and for free as well, so guess we didn't receive the treatment that we should have had.
We do have a certificate from the British embassy confirming our relationship status, as well as lots of other evidence, so this should be sufficient proof of a durable relationship.
Anyway, irrespective of our relationship status, the maximum time for processing any visa according to the EU handbook is 60 days.
We have just found out, though by checking online - we still haven't heard a peep out of the embassy, that his visa was issued, but after 68 days! This is a clear violation of the EU guidelines and contradictory of the information they gave, so if you have any ideas about how not being able to use the visa will impact future visa applications and/ or our entitlements in terms of refund of visa fees/ compensation for inconvenience caused please do let us know.
Thanks

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Re: 3months on, don't need tourist visa any more, what to do

Post by Donutz » Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:40 pm

You should contact:
- The embassy
- The Belgian ministry of Foreign affairs
- SOLVIT
- EU Home Affairs

Explain that the embassy took far too long for a normal procedure, but that (assuming you are indeed covered by the Directive 2004/38) that they shouldn't have charged a fee, it should have been processed ASAP and with only a handful of requirements.

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Re: 3months on, don't need tourist visa any more, what to do

Post by ALKB » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:14 am

rachelm1 wrote:Well we only realised later that his visa should have been processed within 15days, and for free as well, so guess we didn't receive the treatment that we should have had.
We do have a certificate from the British embassy confirming our relationship status, as well as lots of other evidence, so this should be sufficient proof of a durable relationship.
Anyway, irrespective of our relationship status, the maximum time for processing any visa according to the EU handbook is 60 days.
We have just found out, though by checking online - we still haven't heard a peep out of the embassy, that his visa was issued, but after 68 days! This is a clear violation of the EU guidelines and contradictory of the information they gave, so if you have any ideas about how not being able to use the visa will impact future visa applications and/ or our entitlements in terms of refund of visa fees/ compensation for inconvenience caused please do let us know.
Thanks
The first step is to contact the Embassy and ask for a status update to find out what actually happened.

It all seems a bit strange.

All you need regarding relationship status is a marriage certificate professionally translated into French and a certified copy of your EU passport. Then the application should have been processed under EU regulations free of charge within 15 days.

If you are unmarried, he applied under domestic Belgian law (requiring a visa fee) which has a different set of rules, different required evidence and processing time.

I am very surprised that the Embassy "guaranteed" a visa in writing prior to receiving the application. When I was still working at an Embassy we would have always worded it saying that it is likely to be issued if the application is complete and all relevant checks come back positive.

A visa is NEVER guaranteed. An Embassy is not a business selling visas for a purchasing price. It's a government agency where you apply for entry clearance which might or might not be granted depending on individual circumstances and after all checks have been successfully cleared. Especially a Schengen visa can't be guaranteed because something might flag up in one of the other Schengen countries during checks.

In any case, all SOLVIT or similar bodies may be able to help you with is to get your visa application reviewed (we don't know yet whether it's refused at all and if so, why - you need to speak to the Embassy first!) and can possibly help you to get the visa.

Not using it once issued would not be a problem.

Embassies are not liable for any lost travel cost. Apart from the fact that most guidance and forms state not to book anything until the visa has been issued, Embassies do have Diplomatic immunity and you are likely to run against a brick wall.

If you did qualify for processing under EU regulations and applied in the right category, SOLVIT might be able to get you a refund of fees if you were wrongfully charged. You might not even need SOLVIT for this. Talk to the Embassy.

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