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There is always a reason or reasons. What does refusal state?Vb3d wrote:MY Father 60's and Mother 50's has been refused visitor visa, lots of supporting documents and bank statements and enough funds
how stupid is that???
My mother doesn't work and she doesn't have bank accountMauser1905 wrote:There is always a reason or reasons. What does refusal state?Vb3d wrote:MY Father 60's and Mother 50's has been refused visitor visa, lots of supporting documents and bank statements and enough funds
how stupid is that???
From what you wrote looks you application wasn't properly supported with evidence to satisfy ECO's view. And I do appreciate reasoning in this case.Vb3d wrote:My mother doesn't work and she doesn't have bank accountMauser1905 wrote:There is always a reason or reasons. What does refusal state?Vb3d wrote:MY Father 60's and Mother 50's has been refused visitor visa, lots of supporting documents and bank statements and enough funds
how stupid is that???
My father is retired, so he doesn't have good money on his account to show or to use in the application
So they submitted my bank statements and my brother's
The UKBA said that very little they can know from my brother's statement about his financial commitments, even tho he has got really good amount of money there and regular good salary goes in every month, and they didn't even mention my bank statements in the refusal!!! and I got good money to support their visit too!!
I am really devastated
Thank you, your reply is very useful and informative, really appreciatedMauser1905 wrote:From what you wrote looks you application wasn't properly supported with evidence to satisfy ECO's view. And I do appreciate reasoning in this case.Vb3d wrote:My mother doesn't work and she doesn't have bank accountMauser1905 wrote: There is always a reason or reasons. What does refusal state?
My father is retired, so he doesn't have good money on his account to show or to use in the application
So they submitted my bank statements and my brother's
The UKBA said that very little they can know from my brother's statement about his financial commitments, even tho he has got really good amount of money there and regular good salary goes in every month, and they didn't even mention my bank statements in the refusal!!! and I got good money to support their visit too!!
I am really devastated
Have a keen look into this document which shows latest credibility and intentions guidance for visitor visa for the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... 5_0EXT.pdf
ECO has raised fair points in regards to financial commitments. Its your parents travelling not your brother or yourself. So the evidence should be self explanatory from the applicant's side.
There may be property documents/investments/pension statements etc etc which can be useful. If brother is continually supporting your father then this needs to be demonstrated. e.g. showing trail of money going from your brother to parents accounts, from parents account s to their stated monthly expenses etc.
From circumstantial perspective its taken for granted how things work in home country, however onus is on the applicant to prove the credibility and intentions of self sustaining without recourse to public funds and returning back to the home country without overstaying. And this can only be done with appropriate and clear, detailed paperwork.
You can't appeal, just reapply with a stronger application, it's all you can do.Vb3d wrote: I really want to escalate this
Please advise on whom should I call or contact to complain in this case
Of course you can. You could visit her too but I know this is not your point.I can't see my mother for such stupid reason?
That is the strongest you can get, I told you, there is actual reason, they only say they are not satisfied that my mother will leave the UK.Wanderer wrote:You can't appeal, just reapply with a stronger application, it's all you can do.Vb3d wrote: I really want to escalate this
Please advise on whom should I call or contact to complain in this case
The exact text saysCR001 wrote:What was the exact text of the refusal??
What documents did she submit to show ties?
Can you elaborate more around what evidence your mother provided to support her intention to return. I.e. Ties to home country. Was it only the family pictures you refer to here? Or was there more. Pictures alone would not be considered strong evidence of her ties.Vb3d wrote:The exact text saysCR001 wrote:What was the exact text of the refusal??
What documents did she submit to show ties?
"It is your responsibility to satisfy me that your circumstances in XXXXhome countryXXXX are such that if given leave to enter you will comply with all of the conditions attached to such leave and that you intend to leave the UK at the end of your visit but you have not done so"
My mother included family Pictures shows family members and a big house family there
Thank you mate for your replyadilshahzaman wrote:mate ur not alone in this, there is no way on earth you can convince them otherwise if they don't want to be convinced. I was in exactly the same situation few years ago and gave up on this stupid argument. I've applied again for my mum recently for the second time and I'm not expecting anything else but a refusal. This is absolutely pathetic reason not to allow someone, I'll post in few days about my mums application here as to what decision we get but like i said I'm expecting a refusal with the same point that she will not leave uk once let in. I think I'll be lodging an official complaint against the decision as some other guy on this forum has done and has ECO's decision overturned. Thats the only chance or else I'll apply for an ECO's job at AbuDhabi and then deal with it from there.
She provided an estate document shows/describes the big house as wellcs95tdg wrote:Can you elaborate more around what evidence your mother provided to support her intention to return. I.e. Ties to home country. Was it only the family pictures you refer to here? Or was there more. Pictures alone would not be considered strong evidence of her ties.Vb3d wrote:The exact text saysCR001 wrote:What was the exact text of the refusal??
What documents did she submit to show ties?
"It is your responsibility to satisfy me that your circumstances in XXXXhome countryXXXX are such that if given leave to enter you will comply with all of the conditions attached to such leave and that you intend to leave the UK at the end of your visit but you have not done so"
My mother included family Pictures shows family members and a big house family there
Reading the refusal reason, it appears clear that the ECO wasn't satisfied with the evidence provided.
How can I do that?Wanderer wrote:You can always ask for a reconsideration I think - maybe that's gone though too now....
bhupen80 wrote:After reading everyone's comments. I will share my story with you all after which you will come to a conclusion that its a money making business.
I am a UK Citizen. My Parents recently applied (15/04/2015) for a Family visitor visa for a period of 6 months to visit me and see their grandchildren (5 years & 1 year). Also i have recently relocated to the midlands so they were planning to visit a few places here this summer. This was declined (30/04/2015) with the following reason given by ECO
'' I understand the importance of family visits and have also taken into account that you previously visited the UK in 2012, but i note that you have failed to provide and documentary evidence of your own for e.g. If you receive a regular income, financial evidence, what property or assets you own in India and what family support network you have living with you in India. It has therefore been difficult for me to establish how your own financial and personal circumstances are. I have acknowledged your son's evidence in the UK, but the onus rests with you the applicant when assesing your application and given that you both intend on spending the full 6 months of your visa in the UK, I must be satisfied that you are both able to maintain and accomodate yourselves, that you can show sufficient incentive that you will return to India and that your intentions are geniune. Given the lack of evidence before me i am not satisfied that you are a geniune visitor , that you will leave the Uk afetr 6 months or you will be adequately mantained and accomodated in the UK without recourse to public funds. Thats why i have refused your application.
They have visited the UK in the past and have successfully been granted visas in 2010, 2011 & 2012. They have always returned within the 6 months and never overstayed. They have never intend to live in the UK. They find it too isolated in regards to social life and can’t take the winters there. The rest of our family is in India and they have a social life there. I go to India for 3 weeks every alternate year which is not enough for them as Grandparents to have a bond with their grandchildren. That’s why they visit in the summer to spend time with them.
This time around they applied using the same set of documents that they have used in past but unfortunately on this occasion the entry clearance officer declined their application because he did not have enough proof that they intend to return back to India after 6 months. He also wanted proof of them receiving regular income, financial evidence, property or asset they have in India as he was unable to establish what their financial and personal circumstances are.
The set of supporting documents that I had provided for their application had my 6 months UK bank statement showing that I regular transfer money to my ICICI bank account to support them in India which the ECO might have overlooked. In their application they mentioned that they are retired and I look after them. I am also paying for their return tickets and they will be staying with me and I will be sponsoring their entire trip. They don’t own any assets here in India. All their life my dad worked hard put me through the right school and college to get me where i am. In doing so he has never owned anything. Never had the money to buy a house. Its an Indian thing which the ECO wont understand due to a cultural gap. The house that they stay in India is owned by me (3BHK Penthouse worth 2.5 Cr.) and i have bought that specially for them as they don’t want to live in the UK. When they applied on the previous 3 occasions this has (same situation the previous 3 times) been the case and they have been granted a visa in the past.
What i am unable to understand is 1. Why was it declined this time? 2. Why were we granted the visa previous 3 times if their financial situation and personal circumstances were the same as this time?. Their personal and financial situation will be the same in the future as well so even if they reapply looks like they will never be granted a visa and never get to visit me and grandchildren in the UK. That is against their Human Rights.
My father is 69 years old. Last year my father-in-laws father passed away due to pancreatic cancer and he did not get to see his grandchildren as he was in the last stage and survived for only 3 months. I don't want my parents to be in the same situation and want them to spend as much time with them and have a strong bond with them.
The documents that i had submitted were.
1. 6 months payslip. (Which included the transactions showing a regular monthly transfer to ICICI bank)
2. P60
3. Copy of my Tenancy agreement for the house i am renting in the midlands. (I also own a Property in London which i have rented out)
4. Utility Bills.
5. Sponsorhip Letter
6. Invitation Letter
7. Copy of my UK passport.
I can deal with the fact that their visa has been declined but how do i explain my 5 year old that his Dada Dadi are not coming. Everyday after school his 1st question is when are they coming. I just want to know why was it declined and why was it granted the previous 3 times if all the documents were the same.
Today (05/05/2015) I have written a letter of complaint to complaints@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk & Mumbai.visaenquiries@fco.gov.uk to see what they have to say. No way i am reapplying and wasting another INR 8500 x 2. cause my documents will still be the same and i cant produce anymore than i have already. The next step is for me to write to my MP if the home office dont overturn their decision.
Good Luck to other with their situation.
Rather unfair, there is the option of not leaving them behind in the first place isn't there? Maybe look at your own agenda before blaming others for not accomodating the cultural needs of every race and creed under the sun.ukswus wrote:So, it was not enough for the government to take away the option of reuniting UK citizen children with their elderly parents (which most civilized counyries offer), they now have made it exremeley difficult for the parents to obtain even a visotor's visa. Despicable.
bhupen80 wrote:After reading everyone's comments. I will share my story with you all after which you will come to a conclusion that its a money making business.
I am a UK Citizen. My Parents recently applied (15/04/2015) for a Family visitor visa for a period of 6 months to visit me and see their grandchildren (5 years & 1 year). Also i have recently relocated to the midlands so they were planning to visit a few places here this summer. This was declined (30/04/2015) with the following reason given by ECO
'' I understand the importance of family visits and have also taken into account that you previously visited the UK in 2012, but i note that you have failed to provide and documentary evidence of your own for e.g. If you receive a regular income, financial evidence, what property or assets you own in India and what family support network you have living with you in India. It has therefore been difficult for me to establish how your own financial and personal circumstances are. I have acknowledged your son's evidence in the UK, but the onus rests with you the applicant when assesing your application and given that you both intend on spending the full 6 months of your visa in the UK, I must be satisfied that you are both able to maintain and accomodate yourselves, that you can show sufficient incentive that you will return to India and that your intentions are geniune. Given the lack of evidence before me i am not satisfied that you are a geniune visitor , that you will leave the Uk afetr 6 months or you will be adequately mantained and accomodated in the UK without recourse to public funds. Thats why i have refused your application.
They have visited the UK in the past and have successfully been granted visas in 2010, 2011 & 2012. They have always returned within the 6 months and never overstayed. They have never intend to live in the UK. They find it too isolated in regards to social life and can’t take the winters there. The rest of our family is in India and they have a social life there. I go to India for 3 weeks every alternate year which is not enough for them as Grandparents to have a bond with their grandchildren. That’s why they visit in the summer to spend time with them.
This time around they applied using the same set of documents that they have used in past but unfortunately on this occasion the entry clearance officer declined their application because he did not have enough proof that they intend to return back to India after 6 months. He also wanted proof of them receiving regular income, financial evidence, property or asset they have in India as he was unable to establish what their financial and personal circumstances are.
The set of supporting documents that I had provided for their application had my 6 months UK bank statement showing that I regular transfer money to my ICICI bank account to support them in India which the ECO might have overlooked. In their application they mentioned that they are retired and I look after them. I am also paying for their return tickets and they will be staying with me and I will be sponsoring their entire trip. They don’t own any assets here in India. All their life my dad worked hard put me through the right school and college to get me where i am. In doing so he has never owned anything. Never had the money to buy a house. Its an Indian thing which the ECO wont understand due to a cultural gap. The house that they stay in India is owned by me (3BHK Penthouse worth 2.5 Cr.) and i have bought that specially for them as they don’t want to live in the UK. When they applied on the previous 3 occasions this has (same situation the previous 3 times) been the case and they have been granted a visa in the past.
What i am unable to understand is 1. Why was it declined this time? 2. Why were we granted the visa previous 3 times if their financial situation and personal circumstances were the same as this time?. Their personal and financial situation will be the same in the future as well so even if they reapply looks like they will never be granted a visa and never get to visit me and grandchildren in the UK. That is against their Human Rights.
My father is 69 years old. Last year my father-in-laws father passed away due to pancreatic cancer and he did not get to see his grandchildren as he was in the last stage and survived for only 3 months. I don't want my parents to be in the same situation and want them to spend as much time with them and have a strong bond with them.
The documents that i had submitted were.
1. 6 months payslip. (Which included the transactions showing a regular monthly transfer to ICICI bank)
2. P60
3. Copy of my Tenancy agreement for the house i am renting in the midlands. (I also own a Property in London which i have rented out)
4. Utility Bills.
5. Sponsorhip Letter
6. Invitation Letter
7. Copy of my UK passport.
I can deal with the fact that their visa has been declined but how do i explain my 5 year old that his Dada Dadi are not coming. Everyday after school his 1st question is when are they coming. I just want to know why was it declined and why was it granted the previous 3 times if all the documents were the same.
Today (05/05/2015) I have written a letter of complaint to complaints@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk & Mumbai.visaenquiries@fco.gov.uk to see what they have to say. No way i am reapplying and wasting another INR 8500 x 2. cause my documents will still be the same and i cant produce anymore than i have already. The next step is for me to write to my MP if the home office dont overturn their decision.
Good Luck to other with their situation.
What further evidence did you submit?ismail.desai wrote:just to let everyone know my father visa got refused 5 weeks ago i reapplied and today he has got it