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CR001 wrote:An appeal can take months and is very limited. It will be quicker to make a fresh application and address the issues raised.
Of course you should include the property details. You can submit all relevant proof to show he will return and he will need to explain the bank statement funds.
mramay wrote:Dear All,
Thanks for your help and support. I am now applying fresh application for my father. I am attaching extra documents which were the cause of objection in last refusal here http://www.immigrationboards.com/genera ... l#p1155795.
Previous Objections were:
1. 5 Lac deposited into account from where they came?
2. Not sure if he will come back to Pakistan.
Please can you guide that these are ok.
Father's Documents:
Additional:
1. Registry of house and plots
2. An affidavit stating that 5 lac was lent to my sister and she returned it now with her and father's signatures on affidavit.
3. Birth certificate and marriage certificate of my sister to show she is my father's daughter.
Previous Documents:
1. Retirement Notification proving years of service and rank
2. Pension Book
3. 6 months Bank statement in which pension is received
4. Passport
5. Photographs
6. Father's Earning Explanation Chart (for last 6 months)
My Documents:
1. Sponsorship Letter (which is also mentioning that my mother visited last year and she left before the expiry of leave)
2. Salary Slips
3. Salary Account Bank Statement
4. Saving Account Bank Statement
5. Birth Certificate (to show that he is my father)
6. Passport
7. BRP Card (to prove my settled status)
8. Earning Explanation Chart (for last 6 months)
9. Letter from HR confirming that I am employee on XXX post with XXX salary
You guys are brilliant and enormous help always.
Many Thanks in Advance
IMHO affidavit may not be required. A cover letter from your father clarifying and explaining all the refusal points should suffice.mramay wrote:Thanks for all of your help I am now applying fresh application I hope this will go okay this time. Is effidavit is sufficiant evidence for British embassy to show that money returned which was lend from father? Will they ask when it was lend (bank statement) it was lend almost 2 years ago. Why it was lend and bank account statement of my sister to show that its now given back? Do I actually need to attach all these things or one affidavit is enough.
Mauser1905 wrote:IMHO affidavit may not be required. A cover letter from your father clarifying and explaining all the refusal points should suffice.mramay wrote:Thanks for all of your help I am now applying fresh application I hope this will go okay this time. Is effidavit is sufficiant evidence for British embassy to show that money returned which was lend from father? Will they ask when it was lend (bank statement) it was lend almost 2 years ago. Why it was lend and bank account statement of my sister to show that its now given back? Do I actually need to attach all these things or one affidavit is enough.
Showing your mother's travel history to the UK and return was important, it may help this time. Your father can add this to his cover letter.
There may be question raised in the mind of ECO, why not both parents travelling same time. IMHO if your father were to answer this in his cover letter why she went earlier on her own and why does he want to go on his own etc. Why wouldn't she like to join him this time etc. These detailed explanation may help clearing the refusal point 2 to certain extent.
Also how long since father has seen grand children? Please mention those minute details.
How about providing any more documentation if any in regards to father's ties to local place, e.g. active membership/involvement in any society, charity, social, health clubs. These may show his routine ties at his place and that he genuinely wants to visit and then return back home.
Yes please do mention the facts in the cover letter of your father. If he is doing the part time private practice on charitable basis then the clients not necessarily paying by means on bank account transfer. So he can always state the ties to his local community by doing charitable work for the community. The Homeopathy Doctor registration certificate, practice registration details etc would all help to build the case for him. Even if you think it was a insignificant work or business, in cover lettetr it helps to build the case stronger.mramay wrote:Thanks for your reply really great help. I wasn't thinking on these lines. My father is very active in society but there are no documentations as everything is verbally. He is picture shy so never been in news and pictures. He is although registered homeo doctor and practicing his clinic that's why he wanted short visit this spring. But he is doing private practice for very few hours in evening and there is nothing going in bank because of that. Is that worth mentioning that? Will they ask for bank statement for that income? the amount is very low as he is doing it on welfare basis so his fees is nill. Is that mentioning in cover letter sufficient. He is also paying fees for my brother who is 20 years old and doing CA. That's why my mum and dad are travelling alone not together to support his studies. Is this sufficient? This is massive help. Many Thanks
Mauser1905 wrote:Yes please do mention the facts in the cover letter of your father. If he is doing the part time private practice on charitable basis then the clients not necessarily paying by means on bank account transfer. So he can always state the ties to his local community by doing charitable work for the community. The Homeopathy Doctor registration certificate, practice registration details etc would all help to build the case for him. Even if you think it was a insignificant work or business, in cover lettetr it helps to build the case stronger.mramay wrote:Thanks for your reply really great help. I wasn't thinking on these lines. My father is very active in society but there are no documentations as everything is verbally. He is picture shy so never been in news and pictures. He is although registered homeo doctor and practicing his clinic that's why he wanted short visit this spring. But he is doing private practice for very few hours in evening and there is nothing going in bank because of that. Is that worth mentioning that? Will they ask for bank statement for that income? the amount is very low as he is doing it on welfare basis so his fees is nill. Is that mentioning in cover letter sufficient. He is also paying fees for my brother who is 20 years old and doing CA. That's why my mum and dad are travelling alone not together to support his studies. Is this sufficient? This is massive help. Many Thanks
20 year old is an adult in views of an UK ECO. However it would looks odd IMHO (only my view) that a 20 year old needs adult supervision so parents can not travel together. Perhaps as you already stated to support his studies without any undue distraction if he were to look after family elderly dependents, business etc. Just needs appropriate wording as long as its genuine.
If there are elderly grandparents who need looking after then please do state that also. These are all strong valid explanations for strengthening credibility and intentions.
Mauser1905 wrote:mramay,
Glad you are getting on with the documentation.
I perfectly understand the cultural traditions as you mentioned as I have no qualms with it. You have explained the same in your cover draft. Similar explanations should be drafted from applicant also. At the end of the day its applicant who has to explain the reasons etc. Also when submitting application, your final letter to ECO, please do add visa numbers, valid and expiry dates, immigration stamps photocopy from your mothers passport etc to back up what you said in your letter.
could also write why your father wont be willing to stay here in the UK for long, weather, lifestyle, home attachment back in home country, wife, young educating son, daily settled routine etc. ECO would like to see this information coming from applicant's evidence.
May be useful to include a copy of the refusal letter, obviously you would be referring to this when offering explanation in your cover letters.mramay wrote:Thanks for the points and hopeful reply. I have also asked my father to include all these points which was not worth mentioning to us previously. Does he need to include the copy of refusal letter as well this time with application.
Another question in addition to above. In the previous application form he did not mention my brother as child dependant. Shall he mention him now as child dependant? He is not a child but dependant totally confused what to do.
Thanks a lot