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That is one option I suppose.Mauser1905 wrote:If you had cancelled the PH passport , she wouldn't been required to send in the uncancelled passport with maiden name?
If it can be officially noted on a passport that someone has a maiden name then it must be understood they could have a passport or other documents using that name.For a married woman who maintains she uses both her husband's name and her maiden name, the passport should be recorded with the observation:
THE HOLDER IS ALSO KNOWN AS ............................. (FULL FORENAMES AND SURNAME)
Hi, have you received any resolution to your wife's issue? I will be exactly the same as I am now married & did have my PH passport in maiden name. Thanksnoajthan wrote:Finally managed to find some similar cases:
British passport application on hold because of Maiden name different on (Indian) passport, see
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ication_on
Also, British passport refused:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 79624.html
We are still waiting for any reply in writing;gemgirl23 wrote:Hi, have you received any resolution to your wife's issue? I will be exactly the same as I am now married & did have my PH passport in maiden name. Thanksnoajthan wrote:Finally managed to find some similar cases:
British passport application on hold because of Maiden name different on (Indian) passport, see
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ication_on
Also, British passport refused:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 79624.html
Is that so? Thanks for the reply, I will keep an eye on this thread & I hope you receive some reply from them soon so you can move forward.noajthan wrote:We are still waiting for any reply in writing;gemgirl23 wrote:Hi, have you received any resolution to your wife's issue? I will be exactly the same as I am now married & did have my PH passport in maiden name. Thanksnoajthan wrote:Finally managed to find some similar cases:
British passport application on hold because of Maiden name different on (Indian) passport, see
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... ication_on
Also, British passport refused:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 79624.html
- still expecting to receive an official letter (from the Passport Office) with any questions or suggested next steps.
This must be a very common situation as it seems some countries only issue passports in a woman's maiden name.
And the cost & complexity of the British visa system - with id cards (BRP) for ILR/settlement - really discourages you from changing names along the journey; (which in our case was from fiancee, to spouse, via FLR & ILR then 'finally' to naturalisation).
Will give them a few more days
Hello, yes an interesting guidance document.LiaDoe wrote:I am also have the same problem. I have applied for my first British passport and been refused on grounds that in my foreign passport - old name and I applied for a British passport in new name
Certificate of Naturalisation issued in my new name.
Managed to find : https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... f-name.pdf
However, it appears there is a new or changed UK policy regarding UK identity documents - as seems to be shown by this Names document.in the UK, anyone can use any name for regular, lawful purposes;
There is no requirement to have a single name
- for example, many people can (& do) retain their maiden name
or use a stage name
&/or use a professional name for their own purposes;
Women do not have to adopt the husband's name on marriage (& vice versa);
- in other countries, (eg Italy, Mexico, Morocco), it seems a woman's documents can (or do) remain in her maiden name for official purposes, even after marriage;
Worldwide there are many different cultural practices & traditions surrounding name change;
eg in my wife's case, it's a Filipino tradition, which seems to be based on (but a variation of) a Latin-American or perhaps Hispanic tradition
Many dual-nationals do hold & do travel on passports held in different names, whether it's by design or for expediency (or even just to save on an inconvenient & time-consuming extra bunch of paperwork)
Hmm, we're still waiting for our reply so wonder if it will be similar.LiaDoe wrote:Hi, you're probably right .
But
I sent an explanation letter to the HMPO why I cannot change of surname in my foreign passport and got an answer : "it is the policy of Her Majesty’s Passport office not to issue a passport when we are aware of a passport being held in another identity. Therefore I am unable to issue your British passport at this time."
I don't know what to do now.
- this must surely apply to a UK 'system' (only), what world-wide registry can there beAll applications involving a change of name, whether the application is for a first passport, renewal or replacement passport, need to be examined carefully. ... It is therefore important to be sure that:•
The applicant has gone through a formal process to record a change of name;
There are no indications of fraud in the application;•
Previous and new names are checked on the system for other passports
- this must surely apply to UK (only) - other countries may issue legitimate documents in a maiden nameExaminers should also remember, even if there is a marriage certificate submitted, it is vital the maiden name is checked to ensure there is no passport in those details and that the maiden name is case noted and added to passport notes.
- again can only be referring to UK systemsIf a first time application is submitted along with a marriage certificate, the examiner must ensure checks are completed on all previous names.
...
Where a person has married and upon marriage has not changed their name, this may be accepted. Where the examiner is aware that a person has married and claims only to use their maiden name or previous name and not the new married name, then the system should be browsed using the married name.
- As a UK passport can recognise use of a maiden name, it follows that, for a dual national, they might well use their maiden name in another country too (including on legal documents such as a 2nd passport)Where a person changes their name on marriage but continues to use their maiden name professionally, a statement to such effect must be obtained.
.... The passport should be issued in the married name and an observation showing the maiden name should be added:
"THE HOLDER IS ALSO KNOWN AS (full forenames and surname)"
Not yet.noajthan wrote: Have you taken any advice from a local Citizen's Advice Bureau or community law centre (or lawyer)
Have you contacted your MP to follow up your case & question the PO on your behalf
Hi I'm checking your thread almost everyday and also anticipating what PO will advise you what to do next. I find it ridiculous that the name "issue" didn't come up in the naturalisation application stage. It is basically the immigration/passport office issuing documents that they themselves will not accept. I.e Naturalisation certificate in new name. It is getting me nervous as I will be applying soon & not only did I changed my name once after marriage but also have changed it when I came over here when I was 16 & took over my Mum's new surname then. The other issue is I've now lost the original change of name deed but do have copies which I have sent in with my naturalisation app but now I am reading that PO can only accept originals. As I need to show proof for every change of name do I then do another deed poll just to support the change of name that happened years ago which I don't currently use now as I am married? I don't know what to do.noajthan wrote:Still nothing received in writing from HM PO to explain their apparent refusal of my wife's passport application.
Here's a similar recent case, again from this year:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 79624.html
- clearly some internal rules have changed at the PO and yet the published guidance notes are out of sync & NCS seems unaware...
Couldn't find it on the HM Passport Office's website, probably because:Antsmall wrote:The relevant regulation, from 9 June 2014, is here:
Overseas Policy and Procedure Changes 9th June 2014
Ministers intervene to prevent relaxation of checks at Passport Office wrote:A Home Office spokesman said: "Ministers were unaware of this document and have instructed Her Majesty's Passport Office to withdraw it immediately."
This Telegraph story from June 2014 also mentions the document - and Government ministers' response to it:Antsmall wrote:Well that is very interesting and - dare we hope? - encouraging. Thanks Vinny for that information.
On page 4 this document from 23 July 2013
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _08.13.pdf
it says under 'change of name in passport':
"You should check the requirements for the country you are in for when and how a name can be changed as this may not meet UK requirements. If you live in such a country, HM Passport Office will issue your passport in the new name with an observation to say that the holder is also known by their original name."
The stuff about 'country you are in', rather than 'country of which you are a citizen', is weird, but arguably it is saying the opposite of the 9 June 2014 document, namely that there is flexibility to acknowledge discrepancy between an 'original name' and the 'new name' to be shown on the passport.
So the question is, given that this document from 9 June 2014 was revoked, has the 'no discrepancy with name on foreign passport' rule also been revoked, or has it popped up somewhere else? I read every document on that list which seemed relevant, but haven't found any reference to it anywhere else. Any thoughts? Is it possible that these HMPO people in Liverpool are still going by the 9 June 2014 document even though it was officially revoked?
I'd love to hear any further thoughts and information on that. And thanks again for that possibly encouraging piece of information. Let's try to get to the bottom of this!
Thanks vinny & Antsmall for recent info on internal PO policy documents.... a Home Office spokesperson issued a statement saying: “Ministers were unaware of this document and have instructed Her Majesty’s Passport Office to withdraw it immediately.
- however latest version, for applicants in Britain, doesn't contain this statement.Passport Office cannot accept responsibility for any problems encountered as a result of issuing a passport in a new name which is not recognised in the country you live in
gemgirl23, about your papertrail problem, not sure another name change now will help to document a change made in the past.gemgirl23 wrote:Hi I'm checking your thread almost everyday and also anticipating what PO will advise you what to do next. I find it ridiculous that the name "issue" didn't come up in the naturalisation application stage. It is basically the immigration/passport office issuing documents that they themselves will not accept. I.e Naturalisation certificate in new name. It is getting me nervous as I will be applying soon & not only did I changed my name once after marriage but also have changed it when I came over here when I was 16 & took over my Mum's new surname then. The other issue is I've now lost the original change of name deed but do have copies which I have sent in with my naturalisation app but now I am reading that PO can only accept originals. As I need to show proof for every change of name do I then do another deed poll just to support the change of name that happened years ago which I don't currently use now as I am married? I don't know what to do.noajthan wrote:Still nothing received in writing from HM PO to explain their apparent refusal of my wife's passport application.
Here's a similar recent case, again from this year:
http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 79624.html
- clearly some internal rules have changed at the PO and yet the published guidance notes are out of sync & NCS seems unaware...
Worth mentioning which copies of documents were previously accepted by the UK officials processing your previous visa and naturalisation applications.Documents should be either the original, a certified copy issued by the Registry Office or a copy certified by a Solicitor, a Commissioner of Oaths, Notary of the Public or Justice of Peace. The following are all acceptable documents only if they show a clear link between the name shown on the root document, and the currentname. Where there has been more than one change of name the applicant should provide sufficient documentary evidence to show a clear link between the original name as shown on the root document and the current name.
A big difference from HM PO statements such as:It is still perfectly legal for anyone over the age of 16 to start using a new name at any time, as long as they are not doing so for a fraudulent or illegal reason.
From CAB - about name changes, including rules for children (age under 16 versus over age of 16):it is the policy of Her Majesty’s Passport office not to issue a passport when we are aware of a passport being held in another identity.