What is better, WORK PERMIT or HSMP ?

[nionlight]

hi specialists. please share some lights. what option is better, wp or hsmp.? as far as i understand browsing through internet, in hsmp some one can work in any company but in wp cant. but in hsmp the biggest trouble is to get extention, flr. need to qualify for points all again. but in wp its not the case. but no matter some one in wp or hsmp , will get ILR after 5 years is it true? then isn't the WP is better option? becase in hsmp too much crap to meet, like earnings, and have to be in skilled job bla bla. what you guys thinkk of it? share ideas if possible..

[gordon]

The evaluation of WP versus HSMP will vary according to circumstances. Someone who wants the flexibility of changing employers, or working as a consultant, starting his own business, or some combination of all these, will find the HSMP framework more appropriate. HSMP will also be suitable for those who otherwise want to work in sectors where work permits are arranged only for the most senior positions. On the other hand, someone who plans to stay in the same employment with little likelihood of switching, is perhaps better off in WP, avoiding the mid-stream requalification under existing HSMP criteria. For me, having come from the US, having the same range of work opportunities and flexibility of work structures under HSMP as I had in the US, was very important, given my field of work.

Your posts suggest a bias against HSMP in principle, but one should not fail to appreciate is that there are explicit trade-offs: HSMP visaholders must requalify according to the criteria to obtain FLR, but they retain considerable flexibility. WP holders need not requalify, but they are locked into their current employment unless they can find another employer to arrange another work permit, which is not always an option across all sectors.

AG

hi specialists. please share some lights. what option is better, wp or hsmp.? as far as i understand browsing through internet, in hsmp some one can work in any company but in wp cant. but in hsmp the biggest trouble is to get extention, flr. need to qualify for points all again. but in wp its not the case. but no matter some one in wp or hsmp , will get ILR after 5 years is it true? then isn't the WP is better option? becase in hsmp too much crap to meet, like earnings, and have to be in skilled job bla bla. what you guys thinkk of it? share ideas if possible..

[nionlight]

thanks buddy for shed some light. i would be lieing if i say i am not biased against HSMP. the reason is the name it self. they are calling it MIGRATION program. so if we compare this program with other countrie's skilled migration program such as canada, australia, newzealand etc, we see when a person is approved he enters the country as permanent resisdent. but thas not the case for HSMP. they ask the applicant to make UK home and then if again ask for qualaification to stay at home??? besides, they can change the rules anytime and we have to match with new rules. how sick is this? when a person enters with old rule, new rule shouldn't affect him. this program is a dearly beloved program.

[kck9]

yeah.......both are right in this argument.........basically wp vs hsmp only comes dependin on situation........if u r happy with ur job, if they have applied u work permit and u dont have any issues there work permit is the best. because you dont need to spend money for visa etc. Its all generally paid by company itself. moreover u have to think five years in advance like is the situation is going to be the same for another 5 years with/in the company...........if you think thats fine, u can go for WP, but any one issue, HSMP is the wisest option. ofcourse even that has got some negative issue regarding extension, but if you are not eligible for the extension there are some transitional arrangements are in place which is again similar to WP.

ofcourse I accept that there is a pain involved with the change of these rules.......who knows in future again they might change or scrap WP completely......everything is possible......

good luck

[goldfish]

The conditions for any visa can change at any time - and affect those already in the UK as we know - so putting this aside...

HSMP is a good choice for those who are readily able to meet the criteria and who want to remain flexible in choice of employer and style of work (eg run own business) when in the UK. I think you are in a stronger negotiating position if you don't need your employer.

WP is simpler but less flexible, so good for those who want to stay with their company for a while in which case HSMP would create extra hassle but limited benefit.

Another option would be to come on WP and then at some future time, change to HSMP. I know a few people who have done this and they apply for HSMP at the time they are ready to move employer. Of course, the rules might have changed by then and they might not be eligible, but this is a risk with all visa types. An additional benefit would be that if they apply for HSMP after three years on WP, they would get to ILR (5 years) on one HSMP visa so would not have the hassle of an HSMP extension.

[nionlight]

thanks goldfish for answer. one more query regarding your answer, is it possible to switch from HSMP to WP? or only vice versa is allowed? so if lets say some one can not qualify for extantion of hsmp then can change to WP? and if posible then will the 2 years count when applied for ILR? or it has to be 5 years on an any individual visa?

[gordon]

That closing comment on the program being 'dearly beloved' was utterly ridiculous; the changed rules under HSMP apply to everyone from outside the UK, regardless of race. And quite apart from the much longer waiting-times for migration to Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, consider that (a) the UK need not modify its migration programme to correspond to comparable programmes elsewhere, (b) skilled-migrant programmes are the exception, rather than the rule, and (c) migration with permanent residency on arrival is also the exception, rather than the rule -- just look at your own immigration experience in the US (a place you had otherwise thought so wonderful).

AG

thanks buddy for shed some light. i would be lieing if i say i am not biased against HSMP. the reason is the name it self. they are calling it MIGRATION program. so if we compare this program with other countrie's skilled migration program such as canada, australia, newzealand etc, we see when a person is approved he enters the country as permanent resisdent. but thas not the case for HSMP. they ask the applicant to make UK home and then if again ask for qualaification to stay at home??? besides, they can change the rules anytime and we have to match with new rules. how sick is this? when a person enters with old rule, new rule shouldn't affect him. this program is a dearly beloved program.

[EdgeHillMole]

is it possible to switch from HSMP to WP?...so if lets say some one can not qualify for extantion of hsmp then can change to WP?

Yes you can switch from HSMP to WP, but I definitely wouldn't recommend it. If you move from HSMP to WP, your ILR clock starts back down at ZERO when you switch.

To summarize:

WP -> HSMP, where WP+HSMP >= 5 Years = ILR
WP >= 5 Years = ILR

BUT

HSMP -> WP, where WP <5 Years = NO ILR
HSMP -> WP, where WP >= 5 years = ILR

Therefore, if you switch from HSMP to WP, you could be working in the UK as a highly skilled professional for upwards of 6-10 years in order to qualify for ILR.

Meanwhile, the person who came in on a WP in the first place will only need to work for 5 years to qualify for ILR.

Fair, isn't it? Liam Byrne's rules, not mine.

[SYH]

Plus a wp you must find a sponsor and if they sack you then you have to find another employer to sponsor before time runs out, hsmp you can apply to whomever you want and find a job and leave and if sacked just apply to whomever you want and find a new employer

[Rog]

is it possible to switch from HSMP to WP?...so if lets say some one can not qualify for extantion of hsmp then can change to WP?

Yes you can switch from HSMP to WP, but I definitely wouldn't recommend it. If you move from HSMP to WP, your ILR clock starts back down at ZERO when you switch.



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Only those who cannot meet 75 points are forced to switch to WP as this is their last option unless they pull their children from schools and pack their bags from UK and return with empty pockets and an uncertain future. One cannot do anything about the unfair resetting to zero. When I came in UK I was foolish enough to think that being on HSMP is superior to being on WP whereas it would have been better to be on WP from start unless one is a highly in-demand IT professional.

[pantaiema]

It is very well described

The evaluation of WP versus HSMP will vary according to circumstances. Someone who wants the flexibility of changing employers, or working as a consultant, starting his own business, or some combination of all these, will find the HSMP framework more appropriate. HSMP will also be suitable for those who otherwise want to work in sectors where work permits are arranged only for the most senior positions. On the other hand, someone who plans to stay in the same employment with little likelihood of switching, is perhaps better off in WP, avoiding the mid-stream requalification under existing HSMP criteria. For me, having come from the US, having the same range of work opportunities and flexibility of work structures under HSMP as I had in the US, was very important, given my field of work.

Your posts suggest a bias against HSMP in principle, but one should not fail to appreciate is that there are explicit trade-offs: HSMP visaholders must requalify according to the criteria to obtain FLR, but they retain considerable flexibility. WP holders need not requalify, but they are locked into their current employment unless they can find another employer to arrange another work permit, which is not always an option across all sectors.

AG

hi specialists. please share some lights. what option is better, wp or hsmp.? as far as i understand browsing through internet, in hsmp some one can work in any company but in wp cant. but in hsmp the biggest trouble is to get extention, flr. need to qualify for points all again. but in wp its not the case. but no matter some one in wp or hsmp , will get ILR after 5 years is it true? then isn't the WP is better option? becase in hsmp too much crap to meet, like earnings, and have to be in skilled job bla bla. what you guys thinkk of it? share ideas if possible..