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Hi ukswus,ukswus wrote:Did you also provide a print-out from PBC? This print-out, plus the original degree certificate, should have been enough (although, technically speaking, I agree that the fact that you have passed this requirement after October 2013, should have been sufficient as well). The application form clearly allows for this, so they cannot fault you for not following it.
usman81 wrote:Ifti - Whilst i agree with you that there should have been no need to send degree again since it was submitted at the time of ILR. However, HO makes their own rules and if you read the guidance it clearly says degree must be sent. Also application form has option to tick "KOLL was met after 28th october 13 at the time of ILR" but that does not imply not sending degree.
Read in red below a cut out from guidance.
Evidence of knowledge of Language and of Life in the UK
• Letter confirming success in the Life in the UK Test, stamped and signed by
the Test Supervisor; and either
• Certificate showing that you have a speaking and listening qualification in
English at B1 CEFR or higher, or an equivalent level qualification. (If you sat a
Home Office approved test you may not have a certificate, but should ensure
that you state the test number at section 1 of the form); OR
• Your original degree certificate and one of the following:
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1. A print out from the points-based calculator, with the equivalent level of your
degree and the level of English
2. An English language Assessment (ELA) from UK NARIC (this will also show
us that UK NARIC are content that your qualification is equivalent to a UK
degree)
3. A Statement of Comparability (SoC) from UK NARIC confirming your
qualification is comparable to a UK degree, plus an official letter from your
university with your name, the title of the degree, and that the qualification was
taught in English.
4. An original and official certificate from your university confirming the degree
was taught or researched in a majority English-speaking country (except
Canada), plus and original letter or certificate from UK NARIC confirming that
the equivalent level of your degree, OR
• Your passport showing that you are a national of a majority English
speaking country
• Your confirmation that you met this requirement, on or after 28th October
2013, in order to obtain settlement.
ifti12 wrote:usman81 wrote:Ifti - Whilst i agree with you that there should have been no need to send degree again since it was submitted at the time of ILR. However, HO makes their own rules and if you read the guidance it clearly says degree must be sent. Also application form has option to tick "KOLL was met after 28th october 13 at the time of ILR" but that does not imply not sending degree.
Read in red below a cut out from guidance.
Evidence of knowledge of Language and of Life in the UK
• Letter confirming success in the Life in the UK Test, stamped and signed by
the Test Supervisor; and either
• Certificate showing that you have a speaking and listening qualification in
English at B1 CEFR or higher, or an equivalent level qualification. (If you sat a
Home Office approved test you may not have a certificate, but should ensure
that you state the test number at section 1 of the form); OR
• Your original degree certificate and one of the following:
16
1. A print out from the points-based calculator, with the equivalent level of your
degree and the level of English
2. An English language Assessment (ELA) from UK NARIC (this will also show
us that UK NARIC are content that your qualification is equivalent to a UK
degree)
3. A Statement of Comparability (SoC) from UK NARIC confirming your
qualification is comparable to a UK degree, plus an official letter from your
university with your name, the title of the degree, and that the qualification was
taught in English.
4. An original and official certificate from your university confirming the degree
was taught or researched in a majority English-speaking country (except
Canada), plus and original letter or certificate from UK NARIC confirming that
the equivalent level of your degree, OR
• Your passport showing that you are a national of a majority English
speaking country
• Your confirmation that you met this requirement, on or after 28th October
2013, in order to obtain settlement.
Hi Usman,
You are absolutely right. what do you suggest now? Should I send my original degree once I receive
acknowledgement? Or I can pass the ESOL on this Sat as well and send the ESOL certificate in 5-10 working days.
Where is the points-based calculator LINK please?
Thanks
Muhammad
Usman is wrong i am afraid. There is a big "OR" at the end of each requirement. If you have obtained ILR after 28th Oct 2013 then there is no need to send anything to prove you knowledge of language. Just need to tick the box in the form.ifti12 wrote:usman81 wrote:Ifti - Whilst i agree with you that there should have been no need to send degree again since it was submitted at the time of ILR. However, HO makes their own rules and if you read the guidance it clearly says degree must be sent. Also application form has option to tick "KOLL was met after 28th october 13 at the time of ILR" but that does not imply not sending degree.
Read in red below a cut out from guidance.
Evidence of knowledge of Language and of Life in the UK
• Letter confirming success in the Life in the UK Test, stamped and signed by
the Test Supervisor; and either
• Certificate showing that you have a speaking and listening qualification in
English at B1 CEFR or higher, or an equivalent level qualification. (If you sat a
Home Office approved test you may not have a certificate, but should ensure
that you state the test number at section 1 of the form); OR
• Your original degree certificate and one of the following:
16
1. A print out from the points-based calculator, with the equivalent level of your
degree and the level of English
2. An English language Assessment (ELA) from UK NARIC (this will also show
us that UK NARIC are content that your qualification is equivalent to a UK
degree)
3. A Statement of Comparability (SoC) from UK NARIC confirming your
qualification is comparable to a UK degree, plus an official letter from your
university with your name, the title of the degree, and that the qualification was
taught in English.
4. An original and official certificate from your university confirming the degree
was taught or researched in a majority English-speaking country (except
Canada), plus and original letter or certificate from UK NARIC confirming that
the equivalent level of your degree, OR
• Your passport showing that you are a national of a majority English
speaking country
• Your confirmation that you met this requirement, on or after 28th October
2013, in order to obtain settlement.
Hi Usman,
You are absolutely right. what do you suggest now? Should I send my original degree once I receive
acknowledgement? Or I can pass the ESOL on this Sat as well and send the ESOL certificate in 5-10 working days.
Where is the points-based calculator LINK please?
Thanks
Muhammad
Read thoroughly before stating "wrong" There is a BIG "and either" condition. It's LIUK AND one from B1 certificate or Degreesolospy wrote:Usman is wrong i am afraid. There is a big "OR" at the end of each requirement. If you have obtained ILR after 28th Oct 2013 then there is no need to send anything to prove you knowledge of language. Just need to tick the box in the form.ifti12 wrote:usman81 wrote:Ifti - Whilst i agree with you that there should have been no need to send degree again since it was submitted at the time of ILR. However, HO makes their own rules and if you read the guidance it clearly says degree must be sent. Also application form has option to tick "KOLL was met after 28th october 13 at the time of ILR" but that does not imply not sending degree.
Read in red below a cut out from guidance.
Evidence of knowledge of Language and of Life in the UK
• Letter confirming success in the Life in the UK Test, stamped and signed by
the Test Supervisor; and either
• Certificate showing that you have a speaking and listening qualification in
English at B1 CEFR or higher, or an equivalent level qualification. (If you sat a
Home Office approved test you may not have a certificate, but should ensure
that you state the test number at section 1 of the form); OR
• Your original degree certificate and one of the following:
16
1. A print out from the points-based calculator, with the equivalent level of your
degree and the level of English
2. An English language Assessment (ELA) from UK NARIC (this will also show
us that UK NARIC are content that your qualification is equivalent to a UK
degree)
3. A Statement of Comparability (SoC) from UK NARIC confirming your
qualification is comparable to a UK degree, plus an official letter from your
university with your name, the title of the degree, and that the qualification was
taught in English.
4. An original and official certificate from your university confirming the degree
was taught or researched in a majority English-speaking country (except
Canada), plus and original letter or certificate from UK NARIC confirming that
the equivalent level of your degree, OR
• Your passport showing that you are a national of a majority English
speaking country
• Your confirmation that you met this requirement, on or after 28th October
2013, in order to obtain settlement.
Hi Usman,
You are absolutely right. what do you suggest now? Should I send my original degree once I receive
acknowledgement? Or I can pass the ESOL on this Sat as well and send the ESOL certificate in 5-10 working days.
Where is the points-based calculator LINK please?
Thanks
Muhammad
Hi solospy,solospy wrote:I repeat "If you have obtained ILR after 28th Oct 2013 then there is no need to send anything to prove you knowledge of language. Just need to tick the box in the form"
Nobody is pushing anyone to his/her way of thinking. This forum is for individuals to share their own interpretation of immigration laws hence no binding on others. Read page 15 and 16 and I am sure that will answer all questions, why this is mandatory.theprideofpak wrote:Guys guys guys.....if the home office already have your details of LIUK and english knowledge thingi...then why they keep asking for the same details over and over again? Why have they included the LIUK test details in AN forms if they already have these details from your ILR application....???
There is no harm in including the degree with your application just to make sure you didn't leave anything unturned, especially when they asking for such details...
I agree- no need to try and see logic in their requirements... Better to just give them what they ask...theprideofpak wrote:Guys guys guys.....if the home office already have your details of LIUK and english knowledge thingi...then why they keep asking for the same details over and over again? Why have they included the LIUK test details in AN forms if they already have these details from your ILR application....???
There is no harm in including the degree with your application just to make sure you didn't leave anything unturned, especially when they asking for such details...
ifti12 wrote:I got my ILR after 28 October 2013 i.e on 22-March-2014 and fullfilled the requirement of Life in UK and Language requirement(degree taught in english).
I submitted my Citizenship application today at Redbridge and use the option for English language mentioned below.
"In fact, if you applied for ILR after 28 October 2013, there is no need to provide anything as within the form, there is a tick box option that states that English was already satisfied for ILR after 28 October 2013. Use this option."
But I also brought my letter from university that my degree was in English and used the same letter in initial TIER-1, EXTENSION AND ILR(AFTER 28 OCTOBER 2013). During appointment the lady called someone has given my BRP number to him and information about my letter and adviced me that this letter is no more accepted and your application will be refused which shocked me. She said you need to fill the non disclaimer form that you won't claim for your money from redbridge if application is refused.
I explained "ILR after 28 October 2013" option in the form which I have used couple of times but she was keep telling me that application will be refused. So I signed the disclaimer form.
Any advice? Should I pass ESOL and send the certificate or will I be okay????
Thanks
ifti
Member Ifti has not been active in the community since June last year.Ash wrote:...
Hi Ifti,
Hope you are well! I am in same situation what you were. Please let me know what happened to your citizenship application. Did you supply any further document to them ?
Regards,
Ash