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Thanks - you're as polite as ever.SYH wrote:Back to christophe, yeah subtle beloved can be more hurtful, my agreement of it previously was a method of answering the question but I guess I have to spell it out for you instead.
It is not that tough a call, isn't it? The good thing about subtle beloved is it will be lost on a lot of ordinary folks. The non-ordinary folks are so paranoid that they see beloved everywhere and would be nice to give something real to get all worked up about. Either way you win!Christophe wrote:Actually, in ordinary life (not at passport control, I mean), is that in some ways more damaging that outright hostility? I wonder...globocentro wrote:Many people in the so called white first world are becoming more subtle in displaying their beloved to avoid being implicated under the various anti discrimination laws but i do agree that it will still have a very profound impact on the victim
I was just trying to be very sarcastic when i said that she should have pursued a course in disguising beloved. i wasnt in any way implying that you have said something along that line. However, one thing is very certain. What she did was so appalling that it was worthy of immediate dismissal, whether or not it was racially motivated. It was blatant harrasment that may or may not have facial connotations.SYH wrote:Well globo, it may have been beloved, it may have been she was drunk with power and acting badly but I wasn't suggesting that better training would better mask her beloved, I submit it could have been simply bad training without any facial motivation behind it. Or it could have been all the above. From my view, I just think she was an idiot, not a dearly beloved but you were there so I wouldn't presume to tell you otherwise, just that from my experience I wouldn't characterize it as beloved.
Back to christophe, yeah subtle beloved can be more hurtful, my agreement of it previously was a method of answering the question but I guess I have to spell it out for you instead.
freshprince wrote:Poland?
Better Illustrated with a story,No! a story as an element of the fictive about it,the facts are that Poland is the least tolerant out of all the Eastern Bloc countries,in the streets of Lodz and Gdansk,black student doctors are being beaten to an inch of their lives,on Marshalkowska street outside of a place called the Simple Cyber Cafe facing the Novotel solitary people of colour have been set upon by Neo Nazis brandishing swatstikas and Nazi salutes.What I find more frightening is the silence that greets this disgusting treatment by most poles,they look away hurriedly and neither offer words of sympathy support or outrage.In Lodz which is today becoming the Elm street of colored people in Poland,the general advice is to move in groups as a solitary walker will be visited with his worst nightmare,some reports I heard swear that while they were running through the streets being chased by a bloodthirsty gang and running into the Police,the Police casually ask "is that why you are running then hit the amazed runner with a few blows of their own"?
As to what started this thread,Its this simple if you are BLACK and travelling through Poland,the Polish I.O will detain you even IF you hold a US passport,travelling by road via Swiecko is a lesson in beloved to the nth degree however ironically SOME passengers will greet this with outrage and offer a few muttered words of condolences for their fellow citizens behaviour.So, No, Polish immigration officers dont have a bad day,they are not just stressed out,its an inherent trait,they LOATHE foreigners.
Why wouldn't you be allowed entry? From what you say, weren't you stamped in (with bad grace no doubt)? I doubt (but cannot prove, of course) that any record would have been kept of the altercation with the passport officer?globocentro wrote:I'm contemplating lodging an official complaint with the EU Comissioner of Human Rights. Do you think it will potentially backfire on me? I dont think i will ever be allowed entry into Poland again after this incident anyway
Yes i do admit that i was stamped with the highest level of reluctance to stop the situation escalating big time. I wont be surprised if the incident was entered into their records because i am probably one of the very few Malaysians that entered Poland that month.Christophe wrote:Why wouldn't you be allowed entry? From what you say, weren't you stamped in (with bad grace no doubt)? I doubt (but cannot prove, of course) that any record would have been kept of the altercation with the passport officer?globocentro wrote:I'm contemplating lodging an official complaint with the EU Comissioner of Human Rights. Do you think it will potentially backfire on me? I dont think i will ever be allowed entry into Poland again after this incident anyway
I will never visit that damn country again. It is just full of lovey. I have many other examples. Ie , I was the only non white on a flight that adopted free seating and no one sat in my row(I was occupying the window seat by the way). The flight was quite full as well. Something like that will not happen in other EU countries.I've been on many flights in predominantly white countries that are half full and people didnt have a problem with sitting beside me.johnsienk wrote:The "good" news is that on Dec 21st Poland and the other 2004 EU states are joining Schengen, which should mean less hassle (that is if you ever want to go there again haha). The airports join the zone a few months later though (i.e. the 21 Dec date applies to land border crossing).
Yes that is actually factual,while on tour with some freinds from the States we boarded the Europa Express and amazingly the "good"folks didnt want to sit next to the only black male on board,the lady who was a coach attendant or whatever was actually apologizing to the Polish guy who was "forced"to sit next to him for lack of space quite profusely and promptly relocated him after a few minutes of black eyed stares that would have curdled milk.I was the only non white on a flight that adopted free seating and no one sat in my row(I was occupying the window seat by the way). The flight was quite full as well.
news about the Camerounian refugee transferring HIV is old news and a twist to the story was that the authorities KNEW that he had HIV when he was still being detained at the asylum centre,crying wolf after the horse has bolted from the stable is just an attempt to stigmatize a whole race,undertones of a political agenda methinks.big
To be pedantic, Rwanda wasnt beloved but a case of ethnic cleansing. and in strict terms its called genocide.avjones wrote:I agree. If some bloke has given HIV to 100 women, that is his fault, and his responsibility, both criminal and moral. It doesn't make his country / race / religion evil.
beloved is far from being a white v non-white issue, though. The vast majority of racially-motivated crimes world-wide don't involve white people on either side. Think of Rwanda, for example!
.That is somewhat anomalous because if it is "racially"motivated,it presupposes that there is a difference in colour,the question is how this is perceived on both sides of the color divide,it is an amusing aspect of modern civilization or maybe just TV that serial killers and multiple murderers get instant celebrity status,rubbish rights and book deals and get to pick whether Sean Pean or Nicholas Cage plays their roles but if we move, say to Haiti or South Africa,its not quite as glamorous,its this bloddy "kaffirs"who dont know their place doing xyz,the media spin giving to "black crimes"as opposed to "white crimes" is NOT uniform,the collateral damage to an entire race when one person of color flouts every legally imposed societal convention is NOT in evidence when he/she is white.The vast majority of racially-motivated crimes world-wide don't involve white people on either side.