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Just to further clarify the situation - I hope I am not confusing hsmphopeful,In summary work experience/ professional membership equation to formal qualifications does not feature in HSMP scheme say like US H1-B. I think its because this can get to be a rather grey area and the Home Office doesn't like such too much.
Such approval still does't mean its equal to a degree.Criteria for membership is approved by the Privy Council and is specified in the Charter and the Bylaws - therefore they are approved by the highest level of Government
One can be chartered without having formal qualfications or non degree qualifications e.g. certificates, diploma, NVQ etc - such status does not equate to a degree.BCS is a Royal Chartered institution and can grant Chartered titles
Not quite sure of what you are trying to point out here - any such accreditation means that degrees at a specified level e.g bachelors from the relevant institution meet the academic criteria for award of membership at level x. However just because you are level x does not mean you have a degree since the institution may have considered your non degree qualifications and work experience.BCS accredits universities Computer Science and related degrees (not vice versa)
Indeed but it does not mean any of its membership levels or that of any other accredited institute e.g. Electrical Engineers, Chemical Engineers etc equate to a degree.BCS is an Engineering Council accredited organisation
AFAIK NARIC will only evaluate your academic credentials not membership of professional organisations - for such you may wish to ask the comparable UK institution for a comparison. Asking the HSMP Team IMHO will not get you an answer apart from go to NARIC but you won't know till you try.Anyway, when or if I am accepted for membership I will seek formal reply from NARIC/NRP regarding this - or should I write and ask the HSMP team I wonder?
What I was saying is that MBCS/CISP should IMHO be equivalent to a Master's or at least Bachelor's. That's all.7.1.2Vocational and professional qualifications can also score points in this area if satisfactory evidence can be produced to show the qualification is equivalent to an applicable level British qualification. This will be validated, where necessary, by reference to the NARIC database.
7.1.3Points will only be awarded where evidence is provided that the individual has completed the course successfully and been awarded the relevant academic or professional qualification from an accredited institution.
Further to your recent email and our subsequent conversation I give
below my opinion as to what the award of MBCS should mean to the
recipient and indeed the world at large. MBCS is a Chartered
professional qualification. The Society is the only professional
Information Systems Engineering society in this country that has
received Chartered Status from the Privy Council. Such societies are
expected to advise the Government, when required, on all matters related
to their respective discipline. The Charter strictly limits the various
grades of membership and influences other membership matters.
The Society is also a Nominating Body of the Engineering Council and as
such is licensed to award the internationally recognised grades of
Chartered Engineer and Incorporated Engineer. To become a Chartered
Engineer through this Society it is prerequisite that the applicant is a
full Member (MBCS) and where possible we process applications
simultaneously for recognition by both Institutions. This means that in
the majority of cases applicants receive MBCS and CEng/IEng with one
application. The Engineering Council is universally recognised as an
Institution with extremely high admission standards and a very exacting
entry procedure. As the BCS processes professional applications
simultaneously you will appreciate that our standards and procedures of
necessity must be identical.
An honours or masters degree or indeed a doctorate alone is insufficient
to merit professional membership. Every successful applicant must
satisfy the formation criteria in three areas if he/she is to be awarded
full member status, viz:-
1 Academic Qualification
In general the Society seeks honours degree level for full Membership
but in certain circumstances will accept a lower degree (ordinary degree
or higher national diploma) providing the reduction in quality is made
up with substantially longer appropriate experience.
Mature Candidate Route
Where applicants do not meet the academic requirement then both the
Society and the Engineering Council will consider the academic
requirement satisfied if the Mature Candidate Route has been
successfully completed. In these cases applicants have to prepare a
suitable submission which is expected to be an ordered and critical
exposition of some aspect of Information Systems Engineering defining
the problems or development aims involved, and demonstrating their
resolution or achievement by the application of engineering principles
and knowledge. The submission is subjected to scrutiny and assessment
by an independent panel all of which is in addition to the procedural
elements of the standard route.
2 Structured Training or Experience in Core Streams of IT
The Society seeks a minimum of two years accredited structured training
in every successful applicant. Where this has not been evinced the
Society will accept experience in core streams of IT (ie development,
service delivery, technical specialisms, quality audit and research etc)
on the basis of two years experience to one years structured training.
3 Responsible Experience
Every successful applicant has to evince two years responsible
experience. This in effect means that the applicant must have held
responsibility for technical decision making and be capable of leading a
team on a project important to his or her company. To do this
effectively the Membership Committee of the Society will expect the
applicant to demonstrate that for a full twelve months he/she has
operated at level 4 of the Society's Industry Structure Model.
The applicant is of course expected to evince all these requirements on
paper. The Society requires, in support of the application, independent
sponsorship from those familiar with the applicants work. Such reports
are confidential and between two and four are required. Further, the
applicant is expected to attend an interview panel when his/her
experience is examined in depth by experienced IT professionals drawn
from industry and academia.
The Society is well aware that there are many pseudo professional bodies
throughout the world that offer spurious professional qualifications for
a modest fee. This Institution is not one of them. If an applicant is
successful in meeting the exacting criteria demanded by the BCS then he
or she is indeed justified in considering themself to be a fully
qualified Information Systems Engineer. Our qualifications are not
awarded lightly. By virtue of the demanding criteria the Society is
justly proud of its international reputation.
So the decision is made by NARIC/NRP - and AFAIU it will be accepted by HO...With regards to your query on qualifications under the HSMP scheme, we
suggest you contact the National Academic Recognition Information Centre
(NARIC) regarding evaluating your qualifications to UK standards. Please
call 01242 260 010 or access their website at www.naric.org.uk
<http://www.naric.org.uk>.
In my case the relevant body is the Royal Chartered British Computer Society - so the story continues - will be writing to them and will keep the forum postedWe provide comparability information for overseas academic and vocational awards. Qualifications you submitted are of professional nature, therefore we are unable to comment on their academic standing in the UK. Approach directly relevant professional body in the UK for consideration.
