TRAVELLING EEA resident card

[jamoman]

im a irish national living in london over 10 years my wife is thai we are married over 3 years ....she holds a 5 year eea resident card we want to travel to republic of ireland for a holiday together for a few days does she need a irish tourist visa along with her eea resident card or is this enough as she is travelling with me regards for any update !!!

[jamoman]

im a irish national living in london over 10 years my wife is thai we are married over 3 years ....she holds a 5 year eea resident card we want to travel to republic of ireland for a holiday together for a few days does she need a irish tourist visa along with her eea resident card or is this enough as she is travelling with me regards for any update !!!

Any help and advice please

[acme4242]

https://www.timaticweb.com/cgi-bin/tim_ ... user=GFB2C

National Thailand (TH) /Residence United Kingdom (GB)
Destination Ireland (Rep.) (IE)

Visa required, except for Holders of "Family Member" Residence
Cards issued by United Kingdom to a family member of an EEA
national or national of Switzerland.

- Visitors are required to hold proof of sufficient funds to
cover their stay.

[adnan01]

Hi there, I travelled with my wife EU national and used my EEA residence card. We had to convince e aerlingus so much pain and once we landed guarda at airport kept saying we should have applied visa as they haven't got a clue on EU laws but they let us go in the end because by law I'm free to travel as far as traveling with family. I would say for peace of mind better apply visa. Regards

[acme4242]

Check-in staff are supposed to be trained to check IATA TIMATIC database.
Specifically for aerlingus
http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinformat ... passports/

To check passport, visa and health requirements visit the IATA Travel Centre
http://www.iatatravelcentre.com/

The data I supplied in the above post is direct from TIMATIC
When airline staff check their computer or latest TIM manual for
your visa requirements. This is what the Airline staff would see.

Please enter your details, such as Nationality
Please print the result and bring it with you.

A few links to the same Database, always the same information back
because it comes from IATA TIMATIC

http://www.gulfair.com/English/info/pre ... ation.aspx
and
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/apps/ve ... ?i=timatic
and
http://www.skyteam.com/en/your-trip/Ser ... nd-Health/
and
http://www.klm.com/travel/sg_en/prepare ... saform.htm
and
http://www.staralliance.com/en/services ... nd-health/
and
http://www.oneworld.com/airports-destin ... formation/
and
http://www.pro-linkglobal.com/timatic/w ... mainv.html
and
https://www.olympicair.com/en/Info/Timatic
and
http://www.iatatravelcentre.com/travelinformation.php# (very bad interface, but more options)
and
http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/global/e ... matic.html (very bad interface)
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Background on airline database

What is TimaticWeb?
TimaticWeb is a web-based service used to determine traveler border
control requirements. The service is based on Timatic and is used by the
entire aviation industry

IATA Timatic is the industry standard used by airlines and travel
agents to be compliant with border control rules and regulations.
Timatic delivers personalized information based on the passengers
destination, transit points, nationality, travel document, residence
country etc.

The Timatic Quick Reference Guide will assist you to make the correct
request for the specific information of every type of passenger.
Timatic can be used to provide passengers with this critical
information as part of the booking process, as well as during check-in

to ensure travelers have the correct travel documentation.
Some Airlines provide web-access to the Database, Its always the same
information because it comes from Industry IATA database called TIMATIC

http://www.iata.org/ps/publications/Pages/tim.aspx
http://www.iatatravelcentre.com/travelinformation.php#
http://www.timaticweb.com/

[jamoman]

https://www.timaticweb.com/cgi-bin/tim_ ... user=GFB2C

National Thailand (TH) /Residence United Kingdom (GB)
Destination Ireland (Rep.) (IE)

Visa required, except for Holders of "Family Member" Residence
Cards issued by United Kingdom to a family member of an EEA
national or national of Switzerland.

- Visitors are required to hold proof of sufficient funds to
cover their stay.

hi acme just to clarify the above my wife and i were married in the uk we both live in uk she was issued a 5 year eea residence card from uk ,is this sufficent enough to travel ireland cheers !!!!!

[acme4242]

hi acme just to clarify the above my wife and i were married in the uk we both live in uk she was issued a 5 year eea residence card from uk ,is this sufficent enough to travel ireland cheers !!!!!

Yes. However it is recommend to bring your marriage cert.
Also the TIMATIC information, But check-in staff should have this same data already.
And don't start showing it unless necessary.

As background, Ireland where taken to court by Sean Ambrose McCarthy, before he took the UK to court.
They have been accepting Family resident cards issued under art 10 of 2004/38/EC since then, a number of years ago.
Unfortunately I don't have any link or case number for the Irish Court case.

[jamoman]

hi acme just to clarify the above my wife and i were married in the uk we both live in uk she was issued a 5 year eea residence card from uk ,is this sufficent enough to travel ireland cheers !!!!!

Yes. However it is recommend to bring your marriage cert.
Also the TIMATIC information, But check-in staff should have this same data already.
And don't start showing it unless necessary.

As background, Ireland where taken to court by Sean Ambrose McCarthy, before he took the UK to court.
They have been accepting Family resident cards issued under art 10 of 2004/38/EC since then, a number of years ago.
Unfortunately I don't have any link or case number for the Irish Court case.

Hi acme we are travelling by train and ferry is this same process as airline if we bring both our passports my wife's passport with 5 year eea residence card ,our marriage certificate ,tenancy agreement in both our names showing we live together in London would this be enough documents cheers and thanks acme

[jamoman]

hi acme just to clarify the above my wife and i were married in the uk we both live in uk she was issued a 5 year eea residence card from uk ,is this sufficent enough to travel ireland cheers !!!!!

Yes. However it is recommend to bring your marriage cert.
Also the TIMATIC information, But check-in staff should have this same data already.
And don't start showing it unless necessary.

As background, Ireland where taken to court by Sean Ambrose McCarthy, before he took the UK to court.
They have been accepting Family resident cards issued under art 10 of 2004/38/EC since then, a number of years ago.
Unfortunately I don't have any link or case number for the Irish Court case.

Hi acme we are travelling by train and ferry is this same process as airline if we bring both our passports my wife's passport with 5 year eea residence card ,our marriage certificate ,tenancy agreement in both our names showing we live together in London would this be enough documents cheers and thanks acme

I just contacted Irish embassy and they said she can travel on this but said has to have a 5 year valid passport my wife's passport runs out in 2017 and residence card finishes in 2018 I don't know what they mean !!!

[acme4242]

I just contacted Irish embassy and they said she can travel on this but said has to have a 5 year valid passport my wife's passport runs out in 2017 and residence card finishes in 2018 I don't know what they mean !!!

Nonsense. except for bit that you are visa exempt.

Background :
The regulations where changed in 2011, prior to this, Ireland did not recognise third country family residence documents for non-EU spouses and family members until in 2011 when emergency regulations were introduced by Justice Minister Alan Shatter following a judgment by Mr Justice Gerard Hogan in Raducan v. the State.
See
http://www.courts.ie/__80256F2B00356A6B ... anguage_en~
and
http://emn.ie/cat_search_detail.jsp?clo ... item_name=

Irish Law was amended by (SI 146 of 2011) on 25th April 2011
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/si/0146.html

3. It is hereby declared that the following classes of non-nationals are specified as classes the members of which are not required to be in possession of a valid Irish visa when landing in the State:

(c) non-nationals who are family members of a Union citizen and holders of a document called “Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen”, as referred to in Article 10 of the Directive of 2004.

[jamoman]

I just contacted Irish embassy and they said she can travel on this but said has to have a 5 year valid passport my wife's passport runs out in 2017 and residence card finishes in 2018 I don't know what they mean !!!

Nonsense. except for bit that you are visa exempt.

Background :
The regulations where changed in 2011, prior to this, Ireland did not recognise third country family residence documents for non-EU spouses and family members until in 2011 when emergency regulations were introduced by Justice Minister Alan Shatter following a judgment by Mr Justice Gerard Hogan in Raducan v. the State.
See
http://www.courts.ie/__80256F2B00356A6B ... anguage_en~
and
http://emn.ie/cat_search_detail.jsp?clo ... item_name=


hi acme thanks for your help

just one more question sorry for been so naive in this subject ...when to returning to the uk it stats your
residence card must say a family member of a union citizen .......my wifes 5 year residence card in her passport says family member of a sea national ......whats the difference or is the same !!!!!! thanks for help

Irish Law was amended by (SI 146 of 2011) on 25th April 2011
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/si/0146.html

3. It is hereby declared that the following classes of non-nationals are specified as classes the members of which are not required to be in possession of a valid Irish visa when landing in the State:

(c) non-nationals who are family members of a Union citizen and holders of a document called “Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen”, as referred to in Article 10 of the Directive of 2004.

[jamoman]

I just contacted Irish embassy and they said she can travel on this but said has to have a 5 year valid passport my wife's passport runs out in 2017 and residence card finishes in 2018 I don't know what they mean !!!

Nonsense. except for bit that you are visa exempt.

Background :
The regulations where changed in 2011, prior to this, Ireland did not recognise third country family residence documents for non-EU spouses and family members until in 2011 when emergency regulations were introduced by Justice Minister Alan Shatter following a judgment by Mr Justice Gerard Hogan in Raducan v. the State.
See
http://www.courts.ie/__80256F2B00356A6B ... anguage_en~

hi acme thanks for your help

just one more question sorry for been so naive in this subject ...when to returning to the uk it stats your
residence card must say a family member of a union citizen .......my wifes 5 year residence card in her passport says family member of a sea national ......whats the difference or is the same !!!!!! thanks for help

and
http://emn.ie/cat_search_detail.jsp?clo ... item_name=


hi acme thanks for your help



Irish Law was amended by (SI 146 of 2011) on 25th April 2011
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/si/0146.html

3. It is hereby declared that the following classes of non-nationals are specified as classes the members of which are not required to be in possession of a valid Irish visa when landing in the State:

(c) non-nationals who are family members of a Union citizen and holders of a document called “Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen”, as referred to in Article 10 of the Directive of 2004.

[jamoman]

acme thanks for your hep
just one more question sorry for been so naive in this subject ...when to returning to the uk it stats your
residence card must say a family member of a union citizen .......my wifes 5 year residence card in her passport says family member of a eat national ......whats the difference or is this same !!!!!! thanks for help

[acme4242]

acme thanks for your hep
just one more question sorry for been so naive in this subject ...when to returning to the uk it stats your
residence card must say a family member of a union citizen .......my wifes 5 year residence card in her passport says family member of a eat national ......whats the difference or is this same !!!!!! thanks for help

Short answer
Its the same thing

Long answer,
There is a difference between EU (union citizens) EEA (eea natioanls)
But the EU directive on freedom of movement 2004/38/EC actually applies across whole EEA
EEA = all EU countries(union citizens) plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway

The UK are correct in using the term EEA nationals (28 EU + 3 extra)
The language of the EU directive was written saying Union Citizens, even it actually meant EEA
As and Irish Citizen, you are both an EU Citizen and an EEA National
So its the same thing

[acme4242]

EDIT: I see Croatia is a bit odd, its EU but not EEA... don't know..

[jamoman]

Acme

So we can travel with the residence card and return uk with our marriage certificate without panoply permit cheers and thanks

[jamoman]

Acme

So we can travel with the residence card and return uk with our marriage certificate without family permit cheers and thanks