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ashishashah wrote:Hmm.
In UK if u get 25 K GBP your work-life balance is maintained..In India , if you get paid 20KGBP (around 16 lakhs INR), most IT companies expect you to put 10-12 hours, and there is a lot of pressure (obvious as you are being paid highly)...
So if u r just comparing salary then there might not be a HUGE difference,but for the same amount,you can have peace of mind in UK..(since for same salary, u r over paid in India and are expected to deliver overly as per crazy deadlines, and in UK u r underpaid and are not expected to deliver as per crazy deadlines..)
Dear Herts,herts wrote:hello hsmp3000,
UK is definitely very expensive, I have tried it to compare many times with other countries,you shall end up paying too much rent and for transport mate. Your rent and expenses would take away min ??1000 a month, and if you go out for some entertainment then you end up saving very less.
As per your salary in your country it would be worth ??40K in UK, I think you are from India, not worth coming here for you.
You must have seen the contract jobs here for you as well getting paid ??400 per day, pls calculate the tax on that as well and dont get carried away seeing that.
As per my opinion better work in your home country, coz ur salary is worth more than ??40K as compared to UK.
I think what Herts meant is that your current salary of £20K in your home country would be the equivalent of living on £40K in the UK. However, if you came to the UK, you would only be able to earn about £25K and so would not be able to live as well as you currently do. By that comparison, living off £25K in the UK would be like living off £12.5K in your home country.prem12 wrote:Dear Herts,herts wrote:hello hsmp3000,
UK is definitely very expensive, I have tried it to compare many times with other countries,you shall end up paying too much rent and for transport mate. Your rent and expenses would take away min £1000 a month, and if you go out for some entertainment then you end up saving very less.
As per your salary in your country it would be worth £40K in UK, I think you are from India, not worth coming here for you.
You must have seen the contract jobs here for you as well getting paid £400 per day, pls calculate the tax on that as well and dont get carried away seeing that.
As per my opinion better work in your home country, coz ur salary is worth more than £40K as compared to UK.
Can you please explain me what is the wrong with £400 per day contract job. Even with 50% tax, you get £200 per day, for five days a week. Which makes it nearly 50k per annum.
Is there anything that I have missed. Please enlighten.
prem12 wrote:While I have no intention of arguing either, you would admit that the US companies are moving to India because the currency conversion factor makes thier cost low.
For that matter I have seen hundred of English and US guys who would be grappling with even simple mathematical problem.
And I really wonder how many top positions are there that you are talking about. They will be occupued by the native citizens. Thats becuase those positions are still not open to outsourcing. The day IB decide to open those position, the natives will find themselves in tough times.
And no matter however loud you say, no one would believe that Indians not being capable of writtng professional programs. You might have seen a few hundreds but the perception of the world has been made by the hundreds of thousands who are much more capable than average native citizens.
And it looks more like you have tried to delude yourslef that Kiwi/Aussie and English are better off by observing those Indians who were below your capacity but surely you did not dare to see those who indians who are more capanble than Kiwi/Aussie and English , for the fear of breaking thier neck when raise your head to see the number of indians who are smarter than you.
prem12 wrote:I am not trying to compare the brain drain with the average in developed countries. I am comparing the averge with average.
Among those who get due educational opportunity and exposure , Indians fare much better in the global arena, which is obvious from the numbers of huge diaspora of Indian IT professionals which represent the average, not the best.
Let us not talk of the top and the extremes, nothing conclusive can be had out of that statistics.
Talk of what happens to the average. If you compare the average, the Indians are lot better. It is commonly known that Indian have better mathematical prowess. There is nothing sloppy or tasteless about it. This is a fact the world admits. As I said, such perception are not built overnight.
And speaking of the top positions, the number of Indians is no less.
But leaving aside the shifting definition of 'average' evinced in the argument (sometimes implicitly defined narrowly, other times applied broadly), my post was principally addressed to the excerpt below, which I found deplorably arrogant and offensive (to say nothing of its being unsubstantiated).Among those who get due educational opportunity and exposure , Indians fare much better in the global arena, which is obvious from the numbers of huge diaspora of Indian IT professionals which represent the average, not the best.
One would have to reconcile the assertions with the evidence base, and advance the argument in a tone commensurate with the strength (or, in this case, sponge-like porosity) of the argument: even the merest exercise of 'mental capacity' in this regard would have shown the disparity between the sweeping claims and the data. And that's scarcely tangential, as mode and tone have as much to do with an argument as the substance.You might have seen a few hundreds but the perception of the world has been made by the hundreds of thousands who are much more capable than average native citizens.
And it looks more like you have tried to delude yourslef that Kiwi/Aussie and English are better off by observing those Indians who were below your capacity but surely you did not dare to see those who indians who are more capanble than Kiwi/Aussie and English , for the fear of breaking thier neck when raise your head to see the number of indians who are smarter than you.