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Just to put things in in perspective. Have gone through exact situation as you are going through now. You may check my post on BC time line. Long story short. This is our timeline.parisbynight wrote:hello,
i am an Eea national and my husband a pakistani national who just got his 5 years RC.
we are expecting a baby in end of nov .
i have autoamtically acquired the PR status but have never applied for a card as i never knew i needed it.
now i wish to apply for British passport for my child.
will he be eligible?
do i need to apply for a pr card first? it takes 5 months i heard and i want to travel with my baby after a month
how long does it takes for the baby first passport in our case? i am hoping it takes 4 weeks max...any experiences?
Not so fast. You need to spend one year on PR before applying for British citizenship, unless you are married to a British citizen.liquidweb wrote:Once you have the PR, apply for BC.
It is quite clear that the OP is not married to a British citizen. So, she can not apply for British citizenship unless she has already completed 5 years of exercising treaty rights AND one year in the UK after that.parisbynight wrote:i am an Eea national and my husband a pakistani national who just got his 5 years RC.
so does tgat mean if i apply for a Pr card now, and hopefully i get it by end of nov, then i can apply for the child passport and it would take the said 4 weeks?secret.simon wrote:If you have acquired PR (by exercising treaty rights for five continuous years) AND the child is born in the UK after you acquired PR, then the child is automatically British by birth and is entitled to a British passport.
If you do not have a PR card (it is not required by law to have one), when you apply for your child's British passport, you will need to submit proof of having exercised treaty rights for five continuous years before the birth of the child. That proof will need to be verified by the Passport Office, so that part of the process would take as long as if you were to apply for the PR card for yourself. Once that is verified, the passport would take the usual issuance time.
4 weeks You are having a laugh. I would expect looking at close to four months if not more.
Alright my bad. But the above statement sounds like Parisbynight has already spent considerable time in the UK and is eligible to apply on her own for a BC.parisbynight wrote: i have autoamtically acquired the PR status but have never applied for a card as i never knew i needed it.
Alright my bad. But the above statement sounds like Parisbynight has already spent considerable time in the UK and is eligible to apply on her own for a BC.liquidweb wrote:parisbynight wrote: i have autoamtically acquired the PR status but have never applied for a card as i never knew i needed it.
No you do not have to apply for BC. Just get a PR and once you have that apply for MN1 for your baby.parisbynight wrote: Have a look at MN1 FAQ here: http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 95747.html[/quote
do i need to apply for BC? i dont want to change my french passport.
i am out of job now. stopped as i fell pregnant and i had to travel. i have 5 years worth of p60. in 9years i spend in uk, 5 were education...Alevrls to degree and 3 with work. i have worked through university as well.
french would have been easier if i had gotten married in uk. i got married in pakistan. i was there for 2 weeks. niw i first need to register my wedding in the country of celebration which is pakistan and then ask them to issue a marriage certificate. for this i need to go pakistan and it takes few visits to the embassy and translatiin offices during a period of a year almost. only once i have the marriage certificate i can register my child born in uk.liquidweb wrote:No you do not have to apply for BC. Just get a PR and once you have that apply for MN1 for your baby.parisbynight wrote: Have a look at MN1 FAQ here: http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 95747.html[/quote
do i need to apply for BC? i dont want to change my french passport.
i am out of job now. stopped as i fell pregnant and i had to travel. i have 5 years worth of p60. in 9years i spend in uk, 5 were education...Alevrls to degree and 3 with work. i have worked through university as well.
Other thing you can do is probably just get your child birth registered in French Embassy and get a French Passport for your baby. He will need visa to travel to non-EEA country. However, when you are back you have all the time in the world to prepare properly for your PR and MN1. I think this is possibly the easiest route considering your timeline. Later if you want your son to be registered as a BC, you can do so. French also allows dual citizenship. So if he ever becomes BC, he would still have his French citizenship.
it does't take that long. few of my mates used to follow this route (without PR card) and if it took 2 months that was all.secret.simon wrote:
That proof will need to be verified by the Passport Office, so that part of the process would take as long as if you were to apply for the PR card for yourself. Once that is verified, the passport would take the usual issuance time.
4 weeks You are having a laugh. I would expect looking at close to four months if not more.
what are you talking about?liquidweb wrote:No you do not have to apply for BC. Just get a PR and once you have that apply for MN1 for your baby.parisbynight wrote: Have a look at MN1 FAQ here: http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... 95747.html[/quote
do i need to apply for BC? i dont want to change my french passport.
i am out of job now. stopped as i fell pregnant and i had to travel. i have 5 years worth of p60. in 9years i spend in uk, 5 were education...Alevrls to degree and 3 with work. i have worked through university as well.
Other thing you can do is probably just get your child birth registered in French Embassy and get a French Passport for your baby. He will need visa to travel to non-EEA country. However, when you are back you have all the time in the world to prepare properly for your PR and MN1. I think this is possibly the easiest route considering your timeline. Later if you want your son to be registered as a BC, you can do so. French also allows dual citizenship. So if he ever becomes BC, he would still have his French citizenship.
where and how i get a birth certificate. i thought this was done automatically at the hospital.boloney wrote:just to add something, you will need birth certificate and this can take at least couple of weeks, so I don't think you will get passport in 4 weeks.
Hi Parisbynight, if you apply for PR and get it. And then apply for MN1, your application will be easily processed and that is all really. MN1 fee is £749 and even though you are applying only to REGISTER your child as a BC, it is still required. The only way you do not pay any fee is if you both are British or one of the parent is British or if you are an overseas British Citizen. None of it is valid for you. So I personally feel the below is your best route.parisbynight wrote:where and how i get a birth certificate. i thought this was done automatically at the hospital.boloney wrote:just to add something, you will need birth certificate and this can take at least couple of weeks, so I don't think you will get passport in 4 weeks.
also are you sure that if a pply for the PR card, i wont need to apply for mn1 for my child.this will save me £700.!
i am thinking of applying for the card
before the birth and hoping it will come before the birth.
i am assuming it will take 8 weeks
papers i will send is my 5 years p60 copies and my studies certificate.
thanks
You are newbie thats why we all should forgive you all this whats above. Don't make this more complicated than it is. It is straighforward application, if even of the parents have PR (card not required) before child was born and child is born in the UK than child is british from day one. All what is required is proff that even of the parents hold PR before child was born and birth certificate from local council. In case like this MN1 registration is not required as child is born British.liquidweb wrote:Hi Parisbynight, if you apply for PR and get it. And then apply for MN1, your application will be easily processed and that is all really. MN1 fee is £749 and even though you are applying only to REGISTER your child as a BC, it is still required. The only way you do not pay any fee is if you both are British or one of the parent is British or if you are an overseas British Citizen. None of it is valid for you. So I personally feel the below is your best route.parisbynight wrote:where and how i get a birth certificate. i thought this was done automatically at the hospital.boloney wrote:just to add something, you will need birth certificate and this can take at least couple of weeks, so I don't think you will get passport in 4 weeks.
also are you sure that if a pply for the PR card, i wont need to apply for mn1 for my child.this will save me £700.!
i am thinking of applying for the card
before the birth and hoping it will come before the birth.
i am assuming it will take 8 weeks
papers i will send is my 5 years p60 copies and my studies certificate.
thanks
1) Apply for your PR - Now
2) You receive your PR - Hopefully October 2015
3) Your child is born in November, apply for his/her MN1 - November 2015
3) Once you receive the certificate of registration from HO - January 2015
4) Go online on HMPO's website and apply for your child's first passport - January 2015
5) Print out the form and then attach pictures (one of them signed by a Signatory - a person who knows you for at least last 5 years in the UK) - January 2015
6) Send to HMPO and they will send the passport - January 2015
Roughly this would be your timeline if you do not spend any more time and just do it right away.
Note: Birth Certificate original takes about a week now in most cases after you apply at the local GRO. Depending on the area you are in, it can take maximum 2 weeks.
if you have PR than you will save yourself over 700 quid as MN1 will not be required. My two kids were born in the UK after I had PR (I was't British) and have British passports done very quickly one was done within a week second one about 3 weeks as passport office was doing some checks on the countersignee. Registration with local council will take few weeks as well so make sure you do you soon you get paperwork from hospital. You can book appoitment as soon as you go to hospital.parisbynight wrote:where and how i get a birth certificate. i thought this was done automatically at the hospital.boloney wrote:just to add something, you will need birth certificate and this can take at least couple of weeks, so I don't think you will get passport in 4 weeks.
also are you sure that if a pply for the PR card, i wont need to apply for mn1 for my child.this will save me £700.!
i am thinking of applying for the card
before the birth and hoping it will come before the birth.
i am assuming it will take 8 weeks
papers i will send is my 5 years p60 copies and my studies certificate.
thanks
thank you.kubus wrote:The information you are giving is incorrect. A child born in the UK to a parent (either father or mother) who has a permanent residence in the UK automatically acquire British citizenship. Assuming the EEA national holds a PR card or can provide 5 years treaty evidence, then the baby just apply for British passport (£46). MN1 is to register a child born after one parent has permanent residence or ILR.
@Parisbynight assuming you have PR like you said then your baby will be born British. You just apply for British passport for baby cost £46 by post or £55.75 for passport check and sent via post office. Just send evidence of PR or 5years treaty evidence and ofcourse referee to sign it.
Here is a desperate mother looking for information so she can share the joy of her life with the whole family and you are commenting almost trying to make a mockery of the whole situation.boloney wrote:liquidweb you need to stop confusing people by giving them wrong advice, you should read Article 1 of British Nationality Act, this should make everything clear for you. If you can't understand it than I hope I won't be buying anything from your pharmacy
If date on PR card will be after child birth you don't be able to use it. You have to show that you acquired PR before child was born.parisbynight wrote:thank you.kubus wrote:The information you are giving is incorrect. A child born in the UK to a parent (either father or mother) who has a permanent residence in the UK automatically acquire British citizenship. Assuming the EEA national holds a PR card or can provide 5 years treaty evidence, then the baby just apply for British passport (£46). MN1 is to register a child born after one parent has permanent residence or ILR.
@Parisbynight assuming you have PR like you said then your baby will be born British. You just apply for British passport for baby cost £46 by post or £55.75 for passport check and sent via post office. Just send evidence of PR or 5years treaty evidence and ofcourse referee to sign it.
i have acquires the Pr status but if i apply for a card and the card comes after the birth. will i still need toprove the 5 years of treaty rights were exerced before the birth?
i am on holidays out of town till mid sept so i can only apply for my pr then.
Exactly, there is someone looking for help and that what I'm trying to do, help. You on the other side not only giving wrong advice but also saying that advice given by others is wrong. Is it really too hard to get educated on this topic and stop making statements that are not right?liquidweb wrote:Here is a desperate mother looking for information so she can share the joy of her life with the whole family and you are commenting almost trying to make a mockery of the whole situation.boloney wrote:liquidweb you need to stop confusing people by giving them wrong advice, you should read Article 1 of British Nationality Act, this should make everything clear for you. If you can't understand it than I hope I won't be buying anything from your pharmacy
Anyhow, Parisbynight, whichever way, I hope you will be lead to the result that you expect. Let us know what route you took and the outcome. Take care yourself.