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No, a RC is not a confirmation of PR (nor is it a visa). It's simply a confirmation of the holder's status in UK at the time of issue.pocket_rockets wrote:Hey everyone!
I'm an EU national who moved to UK as a full-time student in 2010. It's been over 5 years now and I want to get the British citizenship.
I've passed the Life in the UK test, filled all the form and booked the checking service. However, they told me that I need permanent residency before applying, which I thought was represented by my registration certificate (also known as blue card). I was obviously wrong but there's one thing that I find strange.
They told me that I need to have exercised treaty rights for the last 6 years, which is what the AN form says. However, if you go to the last 2 pages of the same form where they list all the required documents, it says that you only need to prove it for the past 5 years which confused me. Any ideas why they contradict themselves in the AN form?
Anyway, I'm now planning to get the permanent residency first. The problem lies with the sickness insurance (odd way to describe medical cover). I have a health insurance from my home country but when I moved here I didn't transfer it which means that I can't prove that I exercised treaty rights whilst I was a student from 2010 to 2013.
However, during my uni days I was working part time. To be fair, it was a 0 hour contract and I would get a shift every now and then. Sometimes, there were 4-6 weeks gaps in between shifts. I moved in Sept 2010 and I started working in Feb 2011 as I had to wait for my student work visa (yellow card) to be approved. I didn't pay tax as I was making less than £10k a year but I still paid NI which was my contribution towards certain state benefits, including the NHS. There was also a gap of employment of about 4-5 months in my last year of uni.
I don't have any payslips but I was thinking to call HMRC to get them to send me P60s and what not to prove that I paid NI, hence contributed to the NHS. Not sure if it counts for anything, but I never claimed benefits or any sort of welfare.
Based on your experience and knowledge, do you guys think my application would be successful? I've called HO but they couldn't give me a definite answer, they just said if I worked part time then that means I exercised treaty rights. But as mentioned above, there were quite a few gaps which worries me.
I've done everything else for the citizenship, so I'm willing to risk it and send the permanent residency application anyway rather than wait 2-3 more years. It's not the end of the world if I lose £65.
What do you guys think? I would really appreciate some advice.
Thanks!
Depends who is asking you & whether they are aware of transitional arrangements.pocket_rockets wrote:Hey Noajthan,
Thanks for your reply. I got my RC in 2013 and I've been working full time ever since, with no employment gaps. Before the RC I had the yellow student card that allowed me to work up to 20 hours a week.
My question is, if CSI was compulsory after 2012, then why am I being asked to prove it if I moved to the UK in 2010? Doesn't make sense.
Also, I have health insurance but it only covers me in my home country.
Worth reading the small print or calling the policy provider's call centre to see if it can cover you in UK.pocket_rockets wrote:Ok, so I guess it's unlikely that they'll approve my application then. That means I have to wait almost 3 years now as I've been working full time since Aug 2013.
One more question, my homecountry health insurance, if it doesn't cover me in the UK, I assume it won't work?
Thanks for your help again!
Congratulations on your foresight - it seems to be a valid RC.pocket_rockets wrote:I applied for it literally within a week after I moved here in UK. My parents couldn't afford to send me too much money so I had to work to support myself.
The apllication was approved and received it in January or February 2011. When I applied for the RC, I had to enclose it in the application. One it was approved, they kept the yellow card and sent me the blue one (RC).
Btw, I am from Romania. Here's the student work visa that I had: http://www.independent.co.uk/student/wh ... 35644.html
I googled it and this article came up, check the image
Ref: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ ... issued.pdf13 Transitional arrangements are being introduced, so that an application for permanent residence as a student will not be refused solely on the grounds that there is no evidence of comprehensive sickness insurance on the date of decision where:14 When considering a permanent residence application in such a case the caseworker should also assume that time spent in the UK prior to the grant of the registration certificate was time spent in compliance with the comprehensive sickness insurance requirement.
- UKBA issued a registration certificate to the applicant on the basis of their residence in the UK as a student before 20thJune 2011.
Yes, good point - details of that card should be in archives.pocket_rockets wrote:Thanks once again for your help!
Unfortunately I don't have a copy or any letter but surely they must have it in their archives as they kept it. I'll mention it in my apllcstion and I might have a photo taken with my phone of the document. It was when I was trying to convince an employer that I have the right to work in the UK.
Anyways, thanks and I'll post here again once I get an answer from HO.
You were in UK from 2010 & started student life then so it seems appropriate to count from 2010 actually.pocket_rockets wrote:Hey noajthan, one more question. Since I received the first registration certificate in January 2011, do you reckon I should wait until January 2016 as technically I haven't exercised treaty rights for 5 years?
pocket_rockets wrote:There's one more thing I was thinking about. What's the point of applying for the PR, get it in a few months, then wait another year to get BR.
Wouldn't it be easier and faster if I apply straight for the BR and prove that I've exercised treaty rights in the past 6 years in Sept 2016?
Do you happen to have a reference to any latest news regarding changes in the naturalisation process in November this yearpocket_rockets wrote:Hi again!
After the latest news regarding changes in the naturalisation process in November this year, is there any point in applying for permanent residence? Or can I simply use my registration certificate?
Thanks!
noajthan wrote:Do you happen to have a reference to any latest news regarding changes in the naturalisation process in November this yearpocket_rockets wrote:Hi again!
After the latest news regarding changes in the naturalisation process in November this year, is there any point in applying for permanent residence? Or can I simply use my registration certificate?
Thanks!
Others have mentioned something of the sort but noone has shared any details.
It may help other members to know about these matters.
Thanks a million.
1) It depends if your wife applied on basis of being a worker or being a student during the relevant period.ally007 wrote:@Noajthan, I am married to Slovakia national 2010 and we have applied for the PR together on the same forms in October this year and she is the main applicant and added me as a family member, which is now 7 weeks now we applied now. I just came across this csi thing on here and I am a bit confused because my Mrs was working full time from 2009 till date and she started uni in 2010 till 2013 and never stop her full time job while studying as well as a strong and focus lady. No csi while studying bcos we didn't even know something like that is on ground. She got her registration certificate in may 2011(blue card) and I have been working since I got my RC early 2011 as well. Although she quoted it on the application that she was working full time while studied as well and paying the fees without public funds. My questions is:
1- do u tink we need to worry about the csi?
2- how long do you think the processing normally takes? They said upto 6months but some eea nationals received their pr withing 4 weeks. And our own is now 7weeks. Although I got my coa 4 weeks after submitted the application with right to work which is a relief.
Waiting for your advice plsss
noajthan wrote:1) It depends if your wife applied on basis of being a worker or being a student during the relevant period.ally007 wrote:@Noajthan, I am married to Slovakia national 2010 and we have applied for the PR together on the same forms in October this year and she is the main applicant and added me as a family member, which is now 7 weeks now we applied now. I just came across this csi thing on here and I am a bit confused because my Mrs was working full time from 2009 till date and she started uni in 2010 till 2013 and never stop her full time job while studying as well as a strong and focus lady. No csi while studying bcos we didn't even know something like that is on ground. She got her registration certificate in may 2011(blue card) and I have been working since I got my RC early 2011 as well. Although she quoted it on the application that she was working full time while studied as well and paying the fees without public funds. My questions is:
1- do u tink we need to worry about the csi?
2- how long do you think the processing normally takes? They said upto 6months but some eea nationals received their pr withing 4 weeks. And our own is now 7weeks. Although I got my coa 4 weeks after submitted the application with right to work which is a relief.
Waiting for your advice plsss
If HO consider applicant to be a student they will look for evidence of CSI for the relevant period.
If your wife held a foreign-issued EHIC at the time OR was issued with a RC for a student there may be an exemption (transitional agreement) that gets you off the hook.
So that blue card may prove to be very important.
2) I don't know about timelines.
You can track other members' experiences in the relevant timeline thread; although as you have found, your mileage may vary.
In any dealing with government departments (& HO in particular) patience is a virtue (as hard as that may be).
Good luck.
noajthan wrote:1) It depends if your wife applied on basis of being a worker or being a student during the relevant period.ally007 wrote:@Noajthan, I am married to Slovakia national 2010 and we have applied for the PR together on the same forms in October this year and she is the main applicant and added me as a family member, which is now 7 weeks now we applied now. I just came across this csi thing on here and I am a bit confused because my Mrs was working full time from 2009 till date and she started uni in 2010 till 2013 and never stop her full time job while studying as well as a strong and focus lady. No csi while studying bcos we didn't even know something like that is on ground. She got her registration certificate in may 2011(blue card) and I have been working since I got my RC early 2011 as well. Although she quoted it on the application that she was working full time while studied as well and paying the fees without public funds. My questions is:
1- do u tink we need to worry about the csi?
2- how long do you think the processing normally takes? They said upto 6months but some eea nationals received their pr withing 4 weeks. And our own is now 7weeks. Although I got my coa 4 weeks after submitted the application with right to work which is a relief.
Waiting for your advice plsss
If HO consider applicant to be a student they will look for evidence of CSI for the relevant period.
If your wife held a foreign-issued EHIC at the time OR was issued with a RC for a student there may be an exemption (transitional agreement) that gets you off the hook.
So that blue card may prove to be very important.
2) I don't know about timelines.
You can track other members' experiences in the relevant timeline thread; although as you have found, your mileage may vary.
In any dealing with government departments (& HO in particular) patience is a virtue (as hard as that may be).
Good luck.
I think I originally mentioned 'Residence Card (RC) in the first place.ally007 wrote:@Noajthan Thanks for your response to my last questions. I still got a few questions to ask you if you don't mind. You mentioned blue card. My partner have one bluecard which got a sticker on it that look like a visa with issue date BUT with no expiring date. She got it after continuous working for 2years . Is that the card you talking about? As I said earlier, We applied together since October and no new since then. Other EEA received their application withing few weeks.