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Until the Irish authorities publish their policy instructions on exercising this discretion, no-one knows.Passport wrote:Hello,
What exactly does it mean when the residence period for naturalization can be waived with respect to people of "Irish descent or Irish associations"?
Does an Irish great-Grandparent count, or great-great Grandparent?
What are Irish associations?
Does it make any difference if you speak the Irish language?
Thank you.
This isn't about citizenship by descent. It's about naturalisation and the ability of the Minister to waive the normal residence requirements.yankeegirl wrote:I don't know about the other points you mentioned, but unless they've changed it, applying for citizenship by descent only goes back as far as grandparents.
Your application may have been accepted as valid, but does it mean that it will be granted?jhbmike wrote:My application was accepted on the basis that my great grandfather was irish. I applied after being in the country one year and ive been waiting for a decision for a year now. Im here presently on a stamp4eufam for 5 years.
Does your son now have Irish citizenship? How does it work if the parent/s are short of the mandatory 3 years...if after the child is born they clock up three years (as in your case), can the child be an Irish national then? Or is it only 'prior to' birth? (Sorry...not related to my situation in the slightest - I don't have a situation! - but I'm curious to know the rules!)jhbmike wrote:No it doesnt mean that it will be granted. Nothing with Irish immigration is simple. I was worried sick for six months while I waited for a decision on my eu1 apllication. My mother is also Irish so im thinking I have a good shot, but if I dont get it, ill go somewhere else. It seems they dont really want foreigners here anymore. An example of this is my son was born in Dublin a year ago and when I went into the passport office to get his Irish passport the lady behind the counter was so rude to me. She said that my wife was short 1 month of the mandatory 3 years living in Ireland in order for my son to get his passport.
Ridiculous..
well, JAJ, you are right. the irish government could grant or refuse it. at the end of the day. they operating behind close door. they dont tell people what they do inside DOJ. in jhbmike case, it usually will be granted unless he committed some major crime. becuase of the new ruleJAJ wrote:Your application may have been accepted as valid, but does it mean that it will be granted?jhbmike wrote:My application was accepted on the basis that my great grandfather was irish. I applied after being in the country one year and ive been waiting for a decision for a year now. Im here presently on a stamp4eufam for 5 years.
This "new rule" was put into force on 1 July 1986.mktsoi wrote: i dont know when they changed the law here but the new rule is, if your grandparent was born in ireland, even tho your parent was born abroad, you will still classify as irish as long as you parent report to the irish embassy abroad and get you register. BUT if you have kids before your parents register in the irish embassy, by the new rule, your kids wont be classified as irish by the new rule unless your parent registered you in the irish embassy before your kid born!!!
hi jhbmikejhbmike wrote:Sakura, I havent bothered pursuing it any further. I just went and got him a latvian and RSA passport. You must have been here 3 years before the birth to qaulify. All this seems ludicrous, I mean, I own a house here, my mother is Irish, my great grandfather was Irish and my application is in for naturalisation, but still the xenophobic passport officer was implying that I was trying to pull a fast one.
It is more likely that his mother is Irish through her grandfather (his great grandfather) than by birth in Ireland, otherwise there would be no need to discuss this.mktsoi wrote:hi jhbmikejhbmike wrote:Sakura, I havent bothered pursuing it any further. I just went and got him a latvian and RSA passport. You must have been here 3 years before the birth to qaulify. All this seems ludicrous, I mean, I own a house here, my mother is Irish, my great grandfather was Irish and my application is in for naturalisation, but still the xenophobic passport officer was implying that I was trying to pull a fast one.
since you just waiting for your passport. i dont know if you mother is irish born abroad or not. if your mom was born in ireland and you wont be binding into the new rule and you will be automatic become irish when you born. you are not like some of the people here, still under work permit. get your irish passport and prove those idiot wrong in the DOJ and passport office.
good luck
The 3 years has to be prior to birth. Otherwise the child needs to be naturalised.sakura wrote: Does your son now have Irish citizenship? How does it work if the parent/s are short of the mandatory 3 years...if after the child is born they clock up three years (as in your case), can the child be an Irish national then? Or is it only 'prior to' birth?
