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Thankyou for your input You are only telling the truth. I guess we have to sit and wait we were planning on going back in Oct of next year so lets see if any changes come in by then. good ones we hope.jimquk wrote:At the moment all we can do is wait for the appeals to be heard and see how things develop.
The bottom line is that the Government, backed by the press and public opinion, can say, you guys got yourself in this situation, we are under no obligation to ever find a way for illegals to remain. As for human rights, this would only come in if you could show that it was impossible for you to live in the other partner's country - for example if their immigration rules made it impossible for you to go there together, if you would be at real risk of serious abuse....... Even then, it would be difficult.
Sorry if I sound negative, but we have to be realistic, and hope for the best from the courts.
OL7MAX wrote:I'm not convinced that the HO is correct in law to turn all applications down purely on the grounds of overstay even if that overstay was intentional and illegal. I've a personal interest and I've read the erstwhile "concessions", now rules, and followed various cases and the reasons for refusal and anecdotal reports of what some suggest is a trend for ECOs to turn down applications purely on the grounds of overstay.
All this needs is a good lawyer and someone with deep pockets willing to test the courts.
Hiya whats going on with your appeal any news yet? stay strong. How long have you been fighting for your husbund for?missbenz5474 wrote:As i posted my husband was recntly refused a spousal visa and the reasons for this were because he had overstayed and worked whilst he was here.How ever when the ECO gave him his reasons he told him to keep his family unit together and that they cannot refuse him forever.So i see it as the ECO's are just using the overstay as just another reason to refuse which must be able to be changed either at a appeal or re applying after all its all about making money at the posts they work at and the prices of such visa applications being expensive now they have gone up
Hi, I would keep fighting untill the end. Yu have to shw to show then that they cant win! I have my reasons why I could not live in my Husbunds homeland! but if I could not see a end to the problem then I would really start thinking about living in JApaulp wrote:I have a question for all those who are having problems getting visas for their spouses. If the home office still won't budge after 1-2 years, would you consider moving abroad to be with your loved ones?
sorry for mistakes!sally12345 wrote:Hi, I would keep fighting untill the end. You have to show them i.e Home office that they cant win!paulp wrote:I have a question for all those who are having problems getting visas for their spouses. If the home office still won't budge after 1-2 years, would you consider moving abroad to be with your loved ones?
I have my reasons why I could not live in my Husbunds homeland! but if I could not see a end to the problem in terms of waiting 3-4 years then I would really start thinking about living in JA I ve my partner to death and jsut could not live without him. Now that we have a child it makes our bond tighter!
Very good Question!
There is also the option of moving to an EU country, getting residence and citizenship in 5+ years and coming back. But all these options involve large upheavals in family life.sally12345 wrote:Hi, I would keep fighting untill the end. Yu have to shw to show then that they cant win! I have my reasons why I could not live in my Husbunds homeland! but if I could not see a end to the problem then I would really start thinking about living in JA
Very good Question!
I argee with you Paulp. It would not be nice on our home life. And I really would not want to mess my child/ren around its so unfair to them. life is unfair I guess What would you do?paulp wrote:There is also the option of moving to an EU country, getting residence and citizenship in 5+ years and coming back. But all these options involve large upheavals in family life.sally12345 wrote:Hi, I would keep fighting untill the end. Yu have to shw to show then that they cant win! I have my reasons why I could not live in my Husbunds homeland! but if I could not see a end to the problem then I would really start thinking about living in JA
Very good Question!
My position is even simpler. I'm outside the UK and my wife has been refused re-entry. So as things stand, I've no choice but to live outside my own country for the rest of my life, starting from now. And let me tell you, that's a hard thing to have to come to terms with.paulp wrote:I have a question for all those who are having problems getting visas for their spouses. If the home office still won't budge after 1-2 years, would you consider moving abroad to be with your loved ones?
MikeKorea wrote:My position is even simpler. I'm outside the UK and my wife has been refused re-entry. So as things stand, I've no choice but to live outside my own country for the rest of my life, starting from now. And let me tell you, that's a hard thing to have to come to terms with.paulp wrote:I have a question for all those who are having problems getting visas for their spouses. If the home office still won't budge after 1-2 years, would you consider moving abroad to be with your loved ones?
I know there's a perception that the press especially is entirely negative towards immigrants. But there's still a lot of immigration anyway, so I wonder how it might look to people when they find out that while Britain's borders are still relatively open to foreigners there are British people who are being effectively prevented from returning to Britain to live? I've been surprised to find that the kind of people I'd have expected to be unsympathetic have seized on my case as evidence of everything that's wrong with immigration policy in the UK. Perhaps it plays to their prejudices but that tells me that this policy shift isn't necessarily going to turn out to be a vote-winner for the Government.
I wonder if Labour, in the run-up to the next general election, want to be portrayed as a the Party that keeps British people out of Britain? That's a question I'm asking my MP.
There are people on these boards who want to see people punished, but I believe the application of justice should be proportionate to the infraction. A policy which makes permanent exiles of British citizens seems both completely disproportionate and vindictive. If we're going to practice this kind of extreme justice then what's next? Shall we ban anyone who's ever received a speeding ticket from ever driving again? Once you've made a mistake, should the punishment be for life? Should the punishment extend to those around you?
People make mistakes. So do we practice proportionate justice or extreme justice? Well the answer is, predictably enough, when it's government minister, we practice no justice at all:
Home secretary: I smoked cannabis
"I did break the law... I was wrong... drugs are wrong"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6905886.stm
What happened to her? Absolutely nothing of course. No question of her resigning or any other sanction. I lose my country, my home. She loses... nothing at all. She says:
"I think in some ways I have learnt my lesson"
She doesn't exactly sound convincing - it's a good job she's not giving that line to one of her Government's ECOs - but I suppose she's asking for our understanding and forgiveness... how wonderfully ironic.
I think that the vast majority of the people even the ones not acquainted with a board like this will agree with that. Very few people would want overstayers banned for life and an attempt to bring attention to the predicament faced by people in your situation should yield results.There are people on these boards who want to see people punished, but I believe the application of justice should be proportionate to the infraction