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Whooooaaaaa- very interesting! Thanks for the advice, JJL.JJL wrote:Hi guys. So I posted recently saying I applied in South Africa, and received my documents and biometrics notice back within a month of the ceremony fee being deducted. Some advice on getting documents back quickly, is to contact your British consulate in the country you are applying from and ask them to assist in getting your documents back. My consulate contacted the home office directly and I think this assisted in getting things moving. They also seemed more keen to assist once I had told them that my ceremony fee had already been deducted. Worth a try for those needing documents back asap.
Yes, you need to send your passport as part of the new laws passed in April.Ceelocsta wrote:Hi does anyone know if u need to send passports as well as the birth cert ? I don't have a passport due to me having no nationality and my father does not have a passport or his old expired one since its been a while he left the country. I only sent them off with full birth certs.
Anyone know if this is enough evidence ?
But I'm born in the UK and have no passport never been able to leave the country and not everyone has passports. So how am i supposed send them my passport if I have no nationality? this is the whole point of me getting one. My father is British and my mother is Jamaican. My father has not had a passport for a while but I have his full birth cert. Is this not enough?bfrenchfry wrote:Yes, you need to send your passport as part of the new laws passed in April.Ceelocsta wrote:Hi does anyone know if u need to send passports as well as the birth cert ? I don't have a passport due to me having no nationality and my father does not have a passport or his old expired one since its been a while he left the country. I only sent them off with full birth certs.
Anyone know if this is enough evidence ?
If you were born in the UK and have never left you are either automatically a citizen or would be naturalizing. UKF and UKM forms are for those of us born outside of the UK to British fathers or mothers.Ceelocsta wrote:But I'm born in the UK and have no passport never been able to leave the country and not everyone has passports. So how am i supposed send them my passport if I have no nationality? this is the whole point of me getting one. My father is British and my mother is Jamaican. My father has not had a passport for a while but I have his full birth cert. Is this not enough?bfrenchfry wrote:Yes, you need to send your passport as part of the new laws passed in April.Ceelocsta wrote:Hi does anyone know if u need to send passports as well as the birth cert ? I don't have a passport due to me having no nationality and my father does not have a passport or his old expired one since its been a while he left the country. I only sent them off with full birth certs.
Anyone know if this is enough evidence ?
Hi Ceelocsta.Ceelocsta wrote:But I'm born in the UK and have no passport never been able to leave the country and not everyone has passports. So how am i supposed send them my passport if I have no nationality? this is the whole point of me getting one. My father is British and my mother is Jamaican. My father has not had a passport for a while but I have his full birth cert. Is this not enough?bfrenchfry wrote:Yes, you need to send your passport as part of the new laws passed in April.Ceelocsta wrote:Hi does anyone know if u need to send passports as well as the birth cert ? I don't have a passport due to me having no nationality and my father does not have a passport or his old expired one since its been a while he left the country. I only sent them off with full birth certs.
Anyone know if this is enough evidence ?
And yes I can get Jamaican citizenship but I will do that if this don't workAntsmall wrote:Ceelocsta - I think that the suggestion of bfrenchfry has merit.
If you were born in Britain before 1983, you are already a British citizen and need only apply for a passport. If you were born after 1983, that is not the case (absolute jus soli was abolished) but have a look at this:
https://www.gov.uk/register-british-citizen
Particularly, read the sections "Born in the UK after 1983" and "Stateless people" (and specifically the bits about being born in Britain after 1983 - form and guidance S3).
This may be a stupid question, but aren't you a Jamaican citizen through your mother? I apologise if this is a hurtful question: I know all about hurtful citizenship questions from people interrogating me all my life (with peculiar doggedness) about why I wasn't a British citizen when I was clearly a native speaker of British English, my father was unambiguously Scots, and his other children got British passports without having to fight for them. I'm asking because you may be able to get a Jamaican passport and then send that in.
And JJL: how did you obtain the email address of your consulate? The British consulates in the USA (where I live) all provide no email addresses, and furthermore they refuse to see anyone without an appointment, their phone numbers only have recorded messages telling us to visit their website and make an appointment in order to be allowed into the building, and the appointment-making system of their website is of course broken and won't let anyone make an appointment. (Their purpose is, as far as I can discern, to avoid performing any work or, heaven forfend, helping anyone). How exactly did you obtain this email address - did you have to make an account in that visa processing centre website and then go through the whole (bad quality) visa application process just to get the email address?
Yeah ukf is a cheaper option for me as I have no children, its just that I don't have a passport just a full UK brith cert.Antsmall wrote:You may be in a position to both naturalise and register.
One reason to choose naturalisation might be that it gives you one advantage: the ability to pass British citizenship to your children born abroad. As you may already know, British citizenship is either 'by descent' or 'otherwise than by descent'. If you are British by descent, i.e. only through your parent(s) and not by birth in Britain or naturalisation, then children that you bear abroad are not automatically British. Instead if you naturalise, your children born abroad are automatically British, but for one generation only, because again, they will be British by descent.
As far as I'm aware, all the UKF options (i.e. all the subsections of section 65 of the Immigration Act 2014) convey only citizenship by descent, even if the person was born in Britain. It's weird but it's how it is.
Registration seems to be a simpler procedure than naturalisation and also doesn't require you to fiddle about with "Life in the UK" tests and all that jazz. There are pros and cons to both options.
Antsmall wrote:How about getting a Jamaican passport and sending that in as your passport? The British citizenship authorities are very refractory and it may actually be easier to obtain and then send in a Jamaican passport than to try to reason with them. I'm not saying that it's easy to get a Jamaican passport (I've never done it and have no idea) but communicating with the Home Office is so annoying that acquiring a Jamaican passport might be less time-consuming and irritating than that. Yes, that is how slow and uncommunicative they are.
My other homeland is Italy, which is known for its convoluted bureaucracy; yet obtaining an Italian passport is a walk in the park (while holding a piece of cake - and eating it too) compared to getting a British one, even after having secured British citizenship. Italian bureaucracy is positively Kafkaesque but it lacks the utter impenetrability of what has now become the over-automatised, badly planned British bureaucracy. The Jamaican officials might be far more reasonable - and contactable. I speculate, but it might be worth a try. Who knows, the Jamaican consulate might actually allow you into the building! To meet a human! (The Italian consulate does, unlike the British one).
Is your father in a position to obtain a British passport which you can then send as well? For some reason the UKF procedure requires the father's passport, and the robot people might create problems otherwise.
Yeah I was thinking that but I was not sure because I thought it would interfere with the citizenship. My dads looking for his expired passport and if he can't find it he's gonna get a new oneAntsmall wrote:How about getting a Jamaican passport and sending that in as your passport? The British citizenship authorities are very refractory and it may actually be easier to obtain and then send in a Jamaican passport than to try to reason with them. I'm not saying that it's easy to get a Jamaican passport (I've never done it and have no idea) but communicating with the Home Office is so annoying that acquiring a Jamaican passport might be less time-consuming and irritating than that. Yes, that is how slow and uncommunicative they are.
My other homeland is Italy, which is known for its convoluted bureaucracy; yet obtaining an Italian passport is a walk in the park (while holding a piece of cake - and eating it too) compared to getting a British one, even after having secured British citizenship. Italian bureaucracy is positively Kafkaesque but it lacks the utter impenetrability of what has now become the over-automatised, badly planned British bureaucracy. The Jamaican officials might be far more reasonable - and contactable. I speculate, but it might be worth a try. Who knows, the Jamaican consulate might actually allow you into the building! To meet a human! (The Italian consulate does, unlike the British one).
Is your father in a position to obtain a British passport which you can then send as well? For some reason the UKF procedure requires the father's passport, and the robot people might create problems otherwise.
I sent the form off without the passports so let's see what happens, I also emailed them about the situation regarding thisAntsmall wrote:It won't interfere with your citizenship. Already holding another citizenship doesn't prevent acquisition of British citizenship. Furthermore, the fact that they ask for your existing passport implies that they expect you to have a non-British citizenship already.
Yes, it is a good idea for your father to locate and send you his expired passport or, if that proves impossible, obtain a new (British) passport and send it to you. These are the rules of the robot people. They create problems anyway, even when applicants give them nothing weird at all, so it's probably best if we present them with as few departures from their expected model as possible. They want to tick boxes.