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Even if you/he lives in India while he has a valid UK spouse visa, he will still not qualify for ILR if he/you do not reside in the UK.We do NOT want to be in the UK. We basically wish to be in India but would like to secure his visa now, before the rules and regulations get even more tough.
There will be a period of qualifying residence he needs to meet, mostly somewhere between 3 and 5 years depending on which EU country (most are 5 years I think) as they have different requirements. He will not get permanent residence upon arrival or within a short period of time, if this is what you are aiming for. PR in another EU country, won't confer PR in the UK.- can he get permanent right to remain in an eu country other than UK?
It varies per country. Ireland for example (where most people go because there is no language barrier), it is 5 years residence as well.- can this be faster? more lenient (on time required to be present in the country) than the uk?
Remember that ILR and PR are lost if you live outside the UK for more than two years. And short visits don't count. You must be resident in the UK to retain ILR/PR status.kripaa wrote:We do NOT want to be in the UK. We basically wish to be in India but would like to secure his visa now, before the rules and regulations get even more tough.
As CR001 has already advised, PR is not portable across national borders, even within the EU.kripaa wrote:Is there any other EEA country where we could settle for LESS than 4 years and secure his permanent right to remain? This could then be later used to live and work in the UK should we ever choose to.
If you mean PR under EU Directive 2004/38/EC, the UK implements the same rules as all other countries in the EU with regards to that. So, if you plan to use EU law, the standard requirement for PR is five continuous years of the EEA citizen (you) exercising treaty rights with your husband residing in the same EU country.kripaa wrote: - can he get permanent right to remain in an eu country other than UK?
- can this be faster? more lenient (on time required to be present in the country) than the uk?
secret.simon wrote:Your husband may want to look at applying for an EU Blue Card. That is essentially a work visa issued under EU rules that is portable across all EU countries except the UK, Ireland and Denmark.
The years that he works in one EU country on a Blue Card can typically (but not always; different countries have different rules on this) be credited to a permanent residency application in another EU country. So, for instance, if he works anywhere in the EU on a Blue Card for five years, he would be eligible for Belgian permanent residency. That can be lost by staying out of the EU for more than 12 months. Mind you that Belgian citizenship requires five to ten years of residence within Belgium itself.
@Casa, thank you for your response. I noticed that most eea national received their pr within 4-6weeks of their applications but our own now is 7weeks already. is it because i am non eea included in the application? Sorry for disturbing youCasa wrote:In the absence of secret.simon, I believe the delay may well be due to the high number of PR applications following the recent requirement for PR certificates/cards to be submitted when applying for British citizenship.
It may be that all the stress & depression is essentially self-inflicted.kripaa wrote:...
We do NOT want to be in the UK. We basically wish to be in India but would like to secure his visa now, before the rules and regulations get even more tough.
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+1 - Well said Noajthannoajthan wrote:It may be that all the stress & depression is essentially self-inflicted.kripaa wrote:...
We do NOT want to be in the UK. We basically wish to be in India but would like to secure his visa now, before the rules and regulations get even more tough.
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A realignment of thinking may be required here...
After all, citizenship (of anywhere) is not just another visa.
It is a privilege not a right. And it involves responsibilities as well as conferring rights.
Citizenship is, to coin a phrase, something along the lines of a relationship akin to marriage.
Like marriage it is (more often than not) prudent not to rush in too quickly (or blindly).
And why would anyone expect a sovereign state (any country) to grant citizenship to someone who hadn't demonstrated a certain degree of commitment to & integration with said nation state?
If all that is required of this country is to be able to work then the appropriate route to follow is clearly a succession of work-related visas;
- that is what they are for.
As other respected members have explained very eloquently above there is no quick fix.
And nothing short of citizenship carries any guarantees in this ever-changing world.
Only a British passport is going to be 'gilt-edged' and 'safe as bank of England'.
If your husband genuinely has such ambitions for the privilege of citizenship then there is no reason why he should not achieve that state - in time.
If not then he will be welcome, as a wealth creator &/or tax payer, under the work route.
By readjusting your thinking on this you may find the stress & depression its causing you simply melts away and you can focus on other matters.
Whether or not you agree to the premise, they exist in facts on the ground. And they exert some extent of control over our lives. Since there has been more than one person on Earth, since Adam and Eve, (who incidentally can't have been married in the eyes of the UKV&I, but who at least had a durable relationship-they had no one else to commit adultery with) there has been a social structure, with rules of entering and exiting such societies.kripaa wrote:Overall, I do not agree to the premise that nations exist.
I admire your knowledge. In my own estimation, I think I know enough about politics and economics, but I can't predict one year into the future, let alone 50.kripaa wrote:I know enough about politics and economics to sense very well what kind of control is going to emerge in the next 50 years
You are always welcome to renounce your British citizenship and move to that haven of peace and quiet, the Indian subcontinent. As noajthan has put it elegantly, citizenship has some characteristics of a marriage. If you feel unhappy in the relationship, break up on courteous terms and start a new life with a new partner (or country in this case).kripaa wrote:The stench of domination and violence which is still hanging over from British Imperialism disturbs my remaining on this Island.