All non-EU citizens to be fingerprinted

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THE fingerprinting of all non-EU nationals living and working in Ireland will begin early next year with the roll-out of a new hi-tech print-taking and identification system.


The automated system takes digital images of fingerprints and replaces the traditional paper and ink method. It allows for much more detail to be recorded and for partial prints of fingers and palms collected at crime scenes to be used more successfully.

It also allows for prints to be transmitted instantly to Garda stations, prisons, central Garda data bases and to Interpol and Europol, so that records can be compared faster. Eventually it is intended gardaí will carry hand-held units that will enable them to analyse a print at the scene of an incident or wherever a suspect is detained.
Since it came into use five weeks ago, the €7 million system has successfully matched 350 prints — a hit rate 50% higher than the traditional method, which stored 280,000 full sets of prints and 195,000 undetermined marks.

The system is not just being applied to criminal suspects — it is also being used to fingerprint people seeking asylum here. Their prints are sent to the Office of the Refugee Applications Commissioner and the central EU fingerprint database, Eurodac, for tracing.

“Data is electronically transferred, thus you get an almost immediate response,â€

[elbet]

what is the source of this article ?

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Irish Examiner.
Link wont work,thats why I could not post it.
Google the title and will come up.

[archigabe]

''They were chaining people up like animals''

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/newsfe ... 38900.html

The immigration body in Northern Ireland has had to compensate black visitors wrongly accused of asylum fraud, writes Susan McKay .

Anyone have the full text of this story?

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

They can only fingerprint the family of EU citizens living in Ireland if Irish citizens also are required to be fingerprinted...

[microlab]

They can only fingerprint the family of EU citizens living in Ireland if Irish citizens also are required to be fingerprinted...

Hmmm,!
Where did you find that one?

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

It comes from Directive 2004/38/EC. You can not require EU citizens and their family members to do things that come within the scope of the directive that you do not require of your own citizens.

So if you require your own citizens to register with the police or city hall when they move house, then you can require that of EU citizens and their families. But you can not require it otherwise.

The general preamble of Directive 2004/38/EC includes

In accordance with the prohibition of discrimination on
grounds of nationality, all Union citizens and their
family members residing in a Member State on the basis
of this Directive should enjoy, in that Member State,
equal treatment with nationals in areas covered by the
Treaty, subject to such specific provisions as are
expressly provided for in the Treaty and secondary law.

The details of what can be required are laid out in Article 8 - Administrative formalities for Union citizens and in Article 24
Equal treatment.

You will also note that EU citizens are excluded from the fingerprinting plans. That is because it is not legal to require them to provide the fingerprints unless you require your own nations to provide it. Their families have the same protection

[Christophe]

They can only fingerprint the family of EU citizens living in Ireland if Irish citizens also are required to be fingerprinted...

But what about the spouses and other family members of Irish citizens living in Ireland (as opposed to non-irish EU citizens)?

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

They can only fingerprint the family of EU citizens living in Ireland if Irish citizens also are required to be fingerprinted...

But what about the spouses and other family members of Irish citizens living in Ireland (as opposed to non-irish EU citizens)?

EU law does not have much to say about that. The way things are organized, that is an internal decision for a member state, except where the irish citizen is returning from working in another member state.

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You will also note that EU citizens are excluded from the fingerprinting plans. That is because it is not legal to require them to provide the fingerprints unless you require your own nations to provide it. Their families have the same protection

I expect all non- EU to be fingerprinted (at GNIB) regardless what directive 238 may or may not say.

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

You will also note that EU citizens are excluded from the fingerprinting plans. That is because it is not legal to require them to provide the fingerprints unless you require your own nations to provide it. Their families have the same protection

I expect all non- EU to be fingerprinted (at GNIB) regardless what directive 238 may or may not say.

Most people would probably do it if told to. But some people will challenge it and win.

The UK will face the same thing with the issue of identity cards. Until they require Uk nationals to have an ID card, they will not be able to require EU nationals or their families to have one.

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[quote]These individuals already have to register with the Garda National Immigration Bureau and carry an identification card, but Mr Lenihan said the card system was open to abuse. “Many forgeries and the like can be carried out with any card-based system, so anything that gives a greater integrity to the card-based system is welcome.â€

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[quote="k8"][quote]These individuals already have to register with the Garda National Immigration Bureau and carry an identification card, but Mr Lenihan said the card system was open to abuse. “Many forgeries and the like can be carried out with any card-based system, so anything that gives a greater integrity to the card-based system is welcome.â€