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Do you have a silicon valley in Britain? Had there been one, it would not have been any different from what the situation is in in US.global gypsy wrote:Ok, so it's the business-people who are skewing the average in New York.
How about, say, London?
According to the report cited by yourself, the Indians have better hourly salary, number of hour worked in a week better than the native UK. Further in matter of owning home, Indians are the ranked as number of one in UK. Please go through your own report. I could see Indians always better than native UK.gordon wrote:One report that compares performance of migrants into the UK: 'Britain's immigrants: an economic profile' (Sriskandarajah et al., Institute for Public Policy Research, Sept 2007). Not sure about London-specific research on this topic, though.
http://www.ippr.org/publicationsandrepo ... asp?id=563 (link to pdf at bottom of page)
In earlier posts, a broad generalisation had been advanced (by prem12) the Indian IT workers were representative of the Indian diaspora, and that they categorically performed better than native populations and other migrant groups. Has the sweeping generalisation now been modified instead to suggest that migrant Indian IT workers do better than all others, barring those who do better than the migrant Indian IT workers themselves ?
But your premise earlier (cf your words quoted above, for a mere sample of your gross generalisations) was that Indians outperformed everyone, not just native populations. Such a generalisation requires that they top the tables (for instance, in the ippr report) relative to natives and other migrant groups, which they don't. You can't argue that one group does better than everyone else, and then only compare that group to the native population.prem12 wrote:Among those who get due educational opportunity and exposure , Indians fare much better in the global arena, which is obvious from the numbers of huge diaspora of Indian IT professionals which represent the average, not the best.
prem12 wrote:I have not overlloked those facts at all. I did not put that in the first post itself . I knew you would come back with this point.
Yes they are not the highest earning.
But if you look at the number of migrants the those coming from India is much more than those from any other country by 3 or more times.
And of course as I had said not all the migrants from India are skilled migrants. Where as those migrating from developed nations like US, Canada and France, Australia, European countries, which generally top most of the list, would be skilled. Thats is the simple reason for this.
I understand you must be finding it difficult admitting that Indians are the richest in Silicon valley which is a typical place which shows the unfudged picture of the clutch of Indians in IT. The data that you trying, even according to which Indians are way better, cover all the migrants skilled as well as unskilled. Even in the previous posts I have been focusing on the IT sector only but dont know why every time you slip back to some data which is not pertinent.
I would really wonder why Indian would be the richest in Silicon valley and not at other places. You need to get the pertinent data and not just any data.
Not correct. To cite an example, there are significant numbers of British carpenters, plumbers etc who migrate to countries like Australia. In fact, one could argue the reverse, i.e. more number of highly skilled people migrate from countries like India to developed nations.Where as those migrating from developed nations like US, Canada and France, Australia, European countries, which generally top most of the list, would be skilled.
prem12 wrote:You seem to have interpreted my statement to suit to your convininece.
Agreed. It is a hundred times harder for a skilled Indian to emigrate to the UK than it is for an unskilled Aussie, ergo most Indian nationals in the UK (other than those who come as family members) are skilled.global gypsy wrote:Not correct. To cite an example, there are significant numbers of British carpenters, plumbers etc who migrate to countries like Australia. In fact, one could argue the reverse, i.e. more number of highly skilled people migrate from countries like India to developed nations.Where as those migrating from developed nations like US, Canada and France, Australia, European countries, which generally top most of the list, would be skilled.
What do have to say about Kaff's comment. ( Are you his brother.)global gypsy wrote:Vidya, while I agree with most of your sentiments, it's also important to underscore the fact some Indians tend to talk in hyperbole when they refer to the success of the Indian diaspora. This attitude only helps to provide an excuse to those who are waiting to have a dig at Indians (and other immigrants from developing nations). Striking the right balance is important; hope you agree.
Would you mind if I ask you stop sounding prude?vidya wrote:Hi all posters in this thread ,
It has been a very interesting and entertaining read - a good break from the normal HSMP hassles.
But just a couple of points - someone here posted that most indians go abroad for "money" and then "beg" for jobs - whatever - please dont make such statements - even if you really had access to almost a million individual's stated reasons for going abroad - you still dont know what the real reason for someone to want to migrate is, sometimes its easier to say youre leaving "home" to "make money" as that seems to be the "acceptable" reason nowadays. People think about a lot more than just money when they make life altering decisions.
And some one else posted something about if India and Indians are doing so great - why they choose to go abroad at all to "developed" ( as the poster put it) countries - Indians seek opportunities to go to other countries for reasons which are democratically acceptable - ie rendering service for a market price - no extortion or force there - which is far better than what certain "kingdoms" did forcibly a mere hundered years ago or what certain world powers are doing even today undemocratically -lets none of us living in glass houses sling mud at each other - it would seem that life comes full circle even at the global level - sorry if this sounds acrimonious. i have travelled to Britain several times and found the ppl there every friendly - im sure US is the same as well. I wish all of you all the best with your HSMP application
ashishashah wrote:Hmm.
In UK if u get 25 K GBP your work-life balance is maintained..In India , if you get paid 20KGBP (around 16 lakhs INR), most IT companies expect you to put 10-12 hours, and there is a lot of pressure (obvious as you are being paid highly)...
So if u r just comparing salary then there might not be a HUGE difference,but for the same amount,you can have peace of mind in UK..(since for same salary, u r over paid in India and are expected to deliver overly as per crazy deadlines, and in UK u r underpaid and are not expected to deliver as per crazy deadlines..)