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A refused asylum seeker may be awaiting an appeal hearing, or awaiting documents which will allow him to leave the UK.INSIDER wrote:If you are a refused asylum seeker how can you be here legally?
Not disagreeing with that. But the point is this. There are many employers who currently don't bother doing checks at all, or don't check all their employees. Those are the employers that the Government are really setting out to catch ... those making absolutely no effort at all at present.Somehow I don't believe that rhetoric about it going to be easier than ever for employers to do checks. It won't be.
My HR staff are no experts at telling a forged British passport from a real one - let alone Italian or Romanian. Reading all this BS about making it easy for employers... is the government going to take full responsibility for doing a search on a potential employee and giving me a Yea or Nay? Why not? Not even for a small fee?So let's face it, for the majority of the population, well able to supply one document from List 1, such as a passport
Accepted, and they do not need to be. But they do need to have records that include extracts from the passport that is provided, and in the case of the Romanian, records of what gives that Romanian the legal ability to work in the UK.My HR staff are no experts at telling a forged British passport from a real one - let alone Italian or Romanian.
my grouse isn't about which businesses are targeted but it's about which businesses are affected.
My HR staff are no experts at telling a forged British passport from a real one - let alone Italian or Romanian. Reading all this BS about making it easy for employers... is the government going to take full responsibility for doing a search on a potential employee and giving me a Yea or Nay? Why not? Not even for a small fee?
I don't think that this government really have the welfare of the immigrant in mind when they bring these measures in.
Victoria
Dawie wrote: Would you rather have an illegal immigrant cleaning your office or working as a prostitute? Or perhaps robbing banks or working in criminal gangs? Think about it.
I think it's naive to think that stricter enforcement of illegal working in the UK would prevent even a single illegal immigrant from coming over here. Nor would it motivate anyone to just simply pack up their bags and leave!vin123 wrote:Right, but the percentage of people who will resort to the below will be far less when compared to those who would plan to leave the country for good reasons.
More over, this would ring a bell to all those future immigrants contemplating on illegal stay and follow and model their predecessors tried and tested 'schemes'.
Dawie wrote: Would you rather have an illegal immigrant cleaning your office or working as a prostitute? Or perhaps robbing banks or working in criminal gangs? Think about it.
Dawie wrote: I think it's naive to think that stricter enforcement of illegal working in the UK would prevent even a single illegal immigrant from coming over here. Nor would it motivate anyone to just simply pack up their bags and leave!
You have hit the proverbial nail right on the head. I hope sufficient budget has been allocated for police recruitment?Dawie wrote:All of this legislation does not change the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of people illegally in the UK who still need to earn a living.
Tighter restrictions on illegal working simply means that those illegal immigrants who were able to find work as cleaners or construction workers, albeit illegally, will now have to turn more nefarious means in order to survive.
Would you rather have an illegal immigrant cleaning your office or working as a prostitute? Or perhaps robbing banks or working in criminal gangs? Think about it.
The Home Office seems more concerned with treating the symptoms instead of concentrating on the cure.
It's a good thing that every man on the Clapham omnibus has a daughter in the immigration business. And the guy who does the odd market stall on weekends to make some money for the kids' Christmas pressies. And the full time mum selling a few bits on eBay who needs someone to run the parcels down to the Post Office. And the local newsagent. I bet 90% of them don't even know which countries are in the EU and which ones aren't. But the law applies to them as much as it does to Tesco.I don't have a massive amoutn of sympathy for employers in this situation, as it is quite easy to do checks. When the rules started getting harsher, my dad did an immigration audit .... There were few which he wasn't sure about, so an hour in the pub with me checking them out not only got them sorted but meant that he knows what to do re: new staff.