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You missed my point VictoriaVictoriaS wrote:No. really, now that you have a refusal on record you will almost certainly be bounced at the airport if you try to enter.
The story makes perfect sense - because of a conviction, the embassy advised that he applies for a visa, then refused the visa on other grounds.
Victoria
SYH,SYH wrote:You missed my point VictoriaVictoriaS wrote:No. really, now that you have a refusal on record you will almost certainly be bounced at the airport if you try to enter.
The story makes perfect sense - because of a conviction, the embassy advised that he applies for a visa, then refused the visa on other grounds.
Victoria
If he thinks he can just go staight there without apply for a formal visa
then he should have done that beforehand
I dont see why you are consistenly contrary to everything I have to say.
And maybe you should let him elaborate and how it makes sense, this is the problem, the author needs to be able to articulate for himself or how can he represent and defend himself properly.
probably that's how he got turned around and applied for a visa he didnt need in the first place.
I suggest you reread what i wrote and the specific question as to doing what he now wants to do in the first place. Dont give me your circular argument that he did it because, I want to know why he did just not apply like he feels like doing now. I know the consulate told him to but now he thinks he shouldn't have. Maybe you prefer I tell him hind sight is 20/20. If he thinks he can now, there must be a reason and that is why I say then he might be able to get through. I dont need a record of what Victoria said via you. It is right there for you to see.INSIDER wrote:SYH,SYH wrote:You missed my point VictoriaVictoriaS wrote:No. really, now that you have a refusal on record you will almost certainly be bounced at the airport if you try to enter.
The story makes perfect sense - because of a conviction, the embassy advised that he applies for a visa, then refused the visa on other grounds.
Victoria
If he thinks he can just go staight there without apply for a formal visa
then he should have done that beforehand
I dont see why you are consistenly contrary to everything I have to say.
And maybe you should let him elaborate and how it makes sense, this is the problem, the author needs to be able to articulate for himself or how can he represent and defend himself properly.
probably that's how he got turned around and applied for a visa he didnt need in the first place.
His explanation as to why he applied for a visa makes perfect sense to me too. Maybe you should read it again.
As for your statement that he will be able to get entry now unless he acts shifty, that is duff advice. I can guarantee him 101% that should he seek entry as a visitor or indeed any other category without a visa/Entry Clearance he will be refused and returned. Probably on the very aircraft he arrived on.
.
I find your comments insightful and helpful for the OPjes2jes wrote:I will just tell the OP that, he can fly to Dublin for a few days and continue on a domestic flight to the UK and fly back to the US after the 'hold up' with his fiancé.
Buy a ticket: US - Ireland - London - US (with a brief stopover in Dublin for a day or two)
This is just a suggestion if you are desperate to see the dear lady down here or the lady can come to the US for the holidays.
You all should also note that, the OP had only $700 which is insufficient in terms of standard of living in the UK to be able not to raise questions to the ECO.
This is my two cents!
Ok victoriaVictoriaS wrote:SYH, I am not trying to contradict you all the time, but I spoke to the OP's girlfriend last night and know a bit of what is happening here. I agree that he probably would have been able to get in without prior entry clearance, but what is done is done, and the simple fact is that if he now tries to enter the UK without getting that refusal overturned or making a new successful application then he runs the risk of getting bounced and potentially screwing up his immigration history.
Going visa Ireland, if found out, will be considered a deliberate attempt to evade immigration. If you do this, then any future application to come to the UK, either as a visitor or to settle, will be effected. It is simply not worth the risk.
Victoria
thanks, whats a JR? im clueless when i t comes to all this lingo, lolINSIDER wrote:SYH,SYH wrote:You missed my point VictoriaVictoriaS wrote:No. really, now that you have a refusal on record you will almost certainly be bounced at the airport if you try to enter.
The story makes perfect sense - because of a conviction, the embassy advised that he applies for a visa, then refused the visa on other grounds.
Victoria
If he thinks he can just go staight there without apply for a formal visa
then he should have done that beforehand
I dont see why you are consistenly contrary to everything I have to say.
And maybe you should let him elaborate and how it makes sense, this is the problem, the author needs to be able to articulate for himself or how can he represent and defend himself properly.
probably that's how he got turned around and applied for a visa he didnt need in the first place.
His explanation as to why he applied for a visa makes perfect sense to me too. Maybe you should read it again.
As for your statement that he will be able to get entry now unless he acts shifty, that is duff advice. I can guarantee him 101% that should he seek entry as a visitor or indeed any other category without a visa/Entry Clearance he will be refused and returned. Probably on the very aircraft he arrived on.
As Victoria said his option is to seek a JR or altenatively hope that his representations to the embassy are accepted and the decision reversed.
Judicial review!NJOK wrote:thanks, whats a JR? im clueless when i t comes to all this lingo, lolINSIDER wrote:SYH,SYH wrote:You missed my point VictoriaVictoriaS wrote:No. really, now that you have a refusal on record you will almost certainly be bounced at the airport if you try to enter.
The story makes perfect sense - because of a conviction, the embassy advised that he applies for a visa, then refused the visa on other grounds.
Victoria
If he thinks he can just go staight there without apply for a formal visa
then he should have done that beforehand
I dont see why you are consistenly contrary to everything I have to say.
And maybe you should let him elaborate and how it makes sense, this is the problem, the author needs to be able to articulate for himself or how can he represent and defend himself properly.
probably that's how he got turned around and applied for a visa he didnt need in the first place.
His explanation as to why he applied for a visa makes perfect sense to me too. Maybe you should read it again.
As for your statement that he will be able to get entry now unless he acts shifty, that is duff advice. I can guarantee him 101% that should he seek entry as a visitor or indeed any other category without a visa/Entry Clearance he will be refused and returned. Probably on the very aircraft he arrived on.
As Victoria said his option is to seek a JR or altenatively hope that his representations to the embassy are accepted and the decision reversed.
no, there was no right to appeal being that it was just a visitors visa. but some of the things she said in the refusal notice were incorrect and other things were completely over looked, like my girlfriends bank statements.impactcrew wrote:Njok - on yr letter of refusal, did they say that you have the right to appeal, if so then write them a letter outlining yr arguments and send it to the address they have asked you to post the appeal to.
i find that surprising as they normally give u a right to appeal - However you can try this address to see if they can send u the form or u may be able to download it from www.ait.gov.uk and there phone number is 0845 6000877 post address: Arnhem Support centre, P.O Box 6987, Leicester, LE1 6ZX. If possible can you type or scan the refusal notice so we can see on what grounds it was refused. On that form it gives you the option to state where u think the ECO were wrong and to challenge there decision.NJOK wrote:no, there was no right to appeal being that it was just a visitors visa. but some of the things she said in the refusal notice were incorrect and other things were completely over looked, like my girlfriends bank statements.impactcrew wrote:Njok - on yr letter of refusal, did they say that you have the right to appeal, if so then write them a letter outlining yr arguments and send it to the address they have asked you to post the appeal to.
NJOK wrote:heres the letter i had just wrote back to the embassy which will better explain my situation