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pankaj80 wrote:Hi all,
I am from India i qualify for hsmp ( using existing points system),
I have all the documents ready with me and i was planning to file for hsmp in sec week of december 07
For English language Requirement - I have got the Letter from university
I will highly appritiate if can get help on these queries
1. Will the letter from university for English language be sufficient or should i go for ILETS( or equivalent)
>>yes, a letter from the university stating your name, dob, student number and a declaration saying that your course was taught in English will be fine. no other docs needed.
2. processing of my application will be done on current rules ( as new rules will come into play later in March of 2008) i.e hsmp approval followed by EC
>>current rules
3. should i go for hsmp asap or wait for new rules to come into play?
>>better to apply sooner rather than later, rules can change anytime.
4. If i go for hsmp in dec 07, do i need to furnish any new document or the ones in accordance to current rules suffice?
>>old rules must be adhered to..
Thanks in advance...
hsmp2010 wrote:in above posts someone post that letter from uni will not work in new system.
this is not the case
according to that pdf doc it will still work.
what r trial countries. where is mention of trial countries in doc?
when i will apply for FLR in next year will i get 2 yrs extension or 3 years?
I can't see any mention of university letters in the pdf hence my feeling it *might* no longer be enough. Please let me know where it is in the document. What I do see is a mention of NARIC being the decider on whether a degree is sufficient proof:hsmp2010 wrote:in above posts someone post that letter from uni will not work in new system.
this is not the case
according to that pdf doc it will still work.
Applicants will need to prove their competence in
English language by proving they:
...
Have taken a degree taught in English (verified
using National Academic Recognition Information
Centre7 data).
Yes I am talking abt same sentence. because in current system they also ask for degree taught in english whereas degree is approved by NARIC.MrBaboo wrote:
I can't see any mention of university letters in the pdf hence my feeling it *might* no longer be enough. Please let me know where it is in the document. What I do see is a mention of NARIC being the decider on whether a degree is sufficient proof:
Applicants will need to prove their competence in
English language by proving they:
...
Have taken a degree taught in English (verified
using National Academic Recognition Information
Centre7 data).
As far as I know NARIC currently do not certify degrees are taught in English, merely that the degree is UK equivalent. My reading of the above sentence is that the will also take on this role (which would make it different from the current system).hsmp2010 wrote:Yes I am talking abt same sentence. because in current system they also ask for degree taught in english whereas degree is approved by NARIC.MrBaboo wrote:
I can't see any mention of university letters in the pdf hence my feeling it *might* no longer be enough. Please let me know where it is in the document. What I do see is a mention of NARIC being the decider on whether a degree is sufficient proof:
Applicants will need to prove their competence in
English language by proving they:
...
Have taken a degree taught in English (verified
using National Academic Recognition Information
Centre7 data).
I dont see it is different from current system.
OK, I defer to your more extensive experience, Victoria. I just couldn't see where they explicitly accept a university letter.VictoriaS wrote:The difference with the Engligh language requirement is that as well as the University letter, they will also accept Grade C GCSE or equivalent, and won't require anything from those from majority english speaking countries (as listed).
Victoria
Correcthsmp2010 wrote: in current system
1. they need bachelors degree equivalent to UK degree from some university verified by NARIC.
Right?
Currently correct. Victoria seems to think this will continue and I trust in her judgement however I don't see that in the pdf at all.hsmp2010 wrote:
2. for the same degree from same university they accept letter that course taught is in English? Right?
Well, you haven't really clarified anything - everything you said I already knew.hsmp2010 wrote: Hope it clarifies confusion.
NARIC is just for verifying degree equivalency . they r not for grading these degrees for english comptenancy.
So its now more easy
VictoriaS wrote:My understanding is that NARIC will not take on this role, they will simply verify that the degree is a degree level, and the applicant will have to get the letter confriming the course was taught in English, as they do now.
Look at Annex B, top of page 11, for the requirements.
One worry - it says the applicant must come from an English majority country to not have to supply a letter or qualification. So what happens to Indian nationals who do their degrees in the US? WIll they still need the letter? It looks as though they will!
Victoria
And how about the converse scenario...how will an American who studied in a country such as India be treated? Is it the nationality of the applicant that matters or where they studied?VictoriaS wrote:One worry - it says the applicant must come from an English majority country to not have to supply a letter or qualification. So what happens to Indian nationals who do their degrees in the US? WIll they still need the letter? It looks as though they will!
MrBaboo wrote:Good point. It could just be noise generated by news agencies.VictoriaS wrote:Is there a link to a Home Office site which backs this up?
Victoria
VictoriaS wrote:Hehehe! It is possible that this will be the case, though obviously we will still assist with in country applications, and judging by the questiosn so far we will still be needed to advise applicants from overseas.Hiro wrote:
The new system also means that immigration consultants have now lost half their business and revenue streams...
I actually worry that the fact that applications are from overseas means that more people will go to potentially dodgy and unregulated agents overseas, where they have redress if it goes wrong. But that is something the OISC have already brought up with BIA, and BIA seem not to care.
I look forward to catching up with this thread later tonight.
Victoria
Hmm, seems counter-intuitive to me. You could have the case of an American national who grew up/studied in, say, Mexico, and is fully conversant in Spanish but doesn't know much of English. Compare this with an Indian citizen who did his undergrad study in the US and is very conversant in English.VictoriaS wrote:Global gypsy - it looks to be regarding the nationality, not country fo study. I think this needs to be pointed out.