Anybody know sth about EU Residence Permit?

xy_marshall · Post by **xy_marshall** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:23 pm

already heard many times that EU is implementing the RP on EU level now. The qualifications will be higher on country level. It requires 5 years working experience, but can be in any EU countries.

Anybody knows some details?

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:42 pm

xy_marshall wrote:already heard many times that EU is implementing the RP on EU level now. The qualifications will be higher on country level. It requires 5 years working experience, but can be in any EU countries.

Anybody knows some details?

This isn't the fecking Blue Card thing again is it!!??

Post by **Administrator** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:29 am

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The European Union "Blue Card" scheme is an idea that is being negotiated right now. Several countries, especially Austria and the Netherlands, are leaning toward opposing/vetoing the idea. Britain is very unlikely to participate, although the UK may well support it as new policy for the remainder of the EU.

There is quite a bit of information in these topics:

-> Europe immigration forum -> BBC:Have your say on 'blue card'

-> Europe immigration forum -> Blue card just for Asians or for everyone????????????

-> Europe immigration forum -> EU BLUE CARD SCHEME

the Admin

Dawie · Post by **Dawie** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:55 pm

There is no such thing as an "EU" residence permit. Each and every EU country issues residence permits according to their own individual rules and regulations that differ greatly from country to country.

flyboy · Post by **flyboy** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:39 am

XY_MARSHALL, by any chance referring to Directive 2003/109/EC mentioned in the following link? If so , it has been implemented in a few member states already.

http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l23034.htm

SYH · Post by **SYH** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:09 am

flyboy wrote:XY_MARSHALL, by any chance referring to Directive 2003/109/EC mentioned in the following link? If so , it has been implemented in a few member states already.

http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l23034.htm

However my understanding is that if you have UK permanent permit, it isn't covered in terms of being able to work elsewhere in the EU and visa versa if you have a permanent resident permit for one of the EU states, it isn't valid for the UK in terms of freedom of movement?
Although UK citiizens can go anywhere in the EU

Dawie · Post by **Dawie** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:47 pm

Even between countries that are members of the Schengen agreement, permanent residency in one Schengen country does not allow you to live and work in another Schengen country, although you are exempted from requiring a tourist visa if your nationality would ordinarily require one for tourist visits. This does not apply to the UK and Ireland.

Only citizens of EU countries may currently freely live and work between member states.

SYH · Post by **SYH** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:54 pm

Dawie wrote:Even between countries that are members of the Schengen agreement, permanent residency in one Schengen country does not allow you to live and work in another Schengen country, although you are exempted from requiring a tourist visa if your nationality would ordinarily require one for tourist visits. This does not apply to the UK and Ireland.

Only citizens of EU countries may currently freely live and work between member states.

NO thats is not true, if you have a permanent residency permit in one eu country, you can live and work in another one.

Dawie · Post by **Dawie** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:58 pm

SYH wrote:
Dawie wrote:Even between countries that are members of the Schengen agreement, permanent residency in one Schengen country does not allow you to live and work in another Schengen country, although you are exempted from requiring a tourist visa if your nationality would ordinarily require one for tourist visits. This does not apply to the UK and Ireland.

Only citizens of EU countries may currently freely live and work between member states.
NO thats is not true, if you have a permanent residency permit in one eu country, you can live and work in another one.

Afraid not.

SYH · Post by **SYH** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:33 pm

Dawie wrote:
SYH wrote:
Dawie wrote:Even between countries that are members of the Schengen agreement, permanent residency in one Schengen country does not allow you to live and work in another Schengen country, although you are exempted from requiring a tourist visa if your nationality would ordinarily require one for tourist visits. This does not apply to the UK and Ireland.

Only citizens of EU countries may currently freely live and work between member states.
NO thats is not true, if you have a permanent residency permit in one eu country, you can live and work in another one.
Afraid not.

Read carefully. Yes, You can. Some Eu states are dragging their feet but the rule is acknowledged.
http://www.ind.nl/en/inbedrijf/actueel/ ... tiveeu.asp
Further this info is old in that the NL had begun to issue the EU freedom of movement permit for its permanent residents.

Richard66 · Post by **Richard66** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:58 pm

I know that there is a uniform format for residence cards of non-EEA nationals and that after 5 years the holders of a permanent residence card may travel and work freely accross some EU States, but not (you guessed it) the UK.

It is a pity a similar type of residence card model was not adopted for family members of EEA nationals. How much easier life would have been for some of us!

xy_marshall · Post by **xy_marshall** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:59 pm

I see the same thing, in Belgium and Holland, you may apply for BLUE CARD (EU residency permit) if you're qualifed.

It's higher standard than national level. Once you have, you can work in another EU country (maybe not UK and Ireland since they feel good when they're different)

SYH · Post by **SYH** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:08 pm

xy_marshall wrote:I see the same thing, in Belgium and Holland, you may apply for BLUE CARD (EU residency permit) if you're qualifed.

It's higher standard than national level. Once you have, you can work in another EU country (maybe not UK and Ireland since they feel good when they're different)

This is not the same thing as the blue card program

xy_marshall · Post by **xy_marshall** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:06 am

SYH wrote:
xy_marshall wrote:I see the same thing, in Belgium and Holland, you may apply for BLUE CARD (EU residency permit) if you're qualifed.

It's higher standard than national level. Once you have, you can work in another EU country (maybe not UK and Ireland since they feel good when they're different)
This is not the same thing as the blue card program

so what it is then?

I see different opinions here.

SYH · Post by **SYH** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:33 am

xy_marshall wrote:
SYH wrote:
xy_marshall wrote:I see the same thing, in Belgium and Holland, you may apply for BLUE CARD (EU residency permit) if you're qualifed.

It's higher standard than national level. Once you have, you can work in another EU country (maybe not UK and Ireland since they feel good when they're different)
This is not the same thing as the blue card program
so what it is then?

I see different opinions here.

It isn't different opinions.
One is an exisiting directive requiring a non eu person to obtain perm residency (usually after 5 years) in one of the member states before you can go to other member states to live and the other one is a new programme that has not been implemented that would allow non eu nationals to work in different member states straight away.

Nice to see Dawie eating Crow

tt · Post by tt » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:29 pm

SYH. That's right.

xy_marshall · Post by **xy_marshall** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:20 pm

SYH wrote:[One is an exisiting directive requiring a non eu person to obtain perm residency (usually after 5 years) in one of the member states before you can go to other member states to live

Thanks, so for instance with that directive document, if I have Belgian permernant RP, I can live in Holland without applying for Dutch RP?

gani999 · Post by **gani999** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:06 am

You cannot live in any EU state using the permanent RP issued by another one. The directive which flyboy was referring to has only been implemented by Austria and a couple of other countries.

The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Germany and the Scandinavian states have not implemented it yet, and show no signs of doing so in the near future. Ireland, the UK and Denmark have opted out of it entirely

xY-marshall, the EU blue card has not been implemented yet, so there is no way you can get one now. And if the bickering by the buffons in Brussels is anything to go by, this scheme too will be confined to the garbage can.

xy_marshall · Post by **xy_marshall** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:10 pm

gani999 wrote:You cannot live in any EU state using the permanent RP issued by another one.

are u sure about this?

besides, I already heard IND in Holland start evaluating the applicant's profile to be qualifed to blue card or not as the first step. If they're not qualified, they will be examined on country level

Richard66 · Post by **Richard66** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:07 am

What I know is that most EU countries (this is regulated by Directive 2003/109/EC and, as the date by which it should have been incorporated, 23 January 2006, has long passed, it has become fully operative as law wherever it has not been transposed, besides leaving the path open to infringement procedures by the European Commission) and only the ususal crew has opted out of it, that is, Denmark, Ireland and the UK.

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