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seems like he is Polish citizen as anyone who was born in Poland, he can apply for Polish passport.Herbert100 wrote:My uncle (88 years old) was born in Pre ww2 Poland and as a refugee arrived in the UK in 1947 after spending the war in India under UK durastiction. He has lived in the UK since but has never applied for citizenship for the UK or Poland. I live in France and he need to travel to live with me in France due to his age. Any advice as to how I can get him a UK passwort. Thanks
I don't follow your logic here, as Polish citizenship is generally inherited, and not derived from place of birth or residential status of parents.boloney wrote:seems like he is Polish citizen as anyone who was born in Poland, he can apply for Polish passport.
It's fairly likely, that anything related to Polish citizenship would require dealing in person (either in Poland or in Polish embassy/consulate) - such is the way that most government offices in Poland work. It might therefore be less resource consuming to achieve confirmation of his British citizenship (or naturalization as such) first.Herbert100 wrote:Given the present problems both the in the UK and Poland Is it going to be quicker / easier to apply for British Citizenship or start the process of apply for Polish citizenship.
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It looks like your uncle is actually Polish.Herbert100 wrote:Thank you for all the useful information. He is a bachelor who was born in then Poland of Polish parents. I have found that he has a Polish passport issued by the Polish Government in exile in 1945. He has also had Travel Documents issued by the UK Home Office, but these expired in 1981. It is not his intention to leave the UK but if his health deteriorated and was unable to look after himself, coming to live with me would be a possible choice . I am just trying to think ahead.
Given the present problems both the in the UK and Poland Is it going to be quicker / easier to apply for British Citizenship or start the process of apply for Polish citizenship.
Thanks
PESEL was only introduced in 1979, so his passport from 1945 surely will not have it. I am not certain that using ONLY his passport issued by Polish government in exile would suffice (although current government does officially recognize itself as continuation of it), but no harm in phoning up the consulate and asking (I suppose his pre-war birth certificate might also prove helpful). There's however a very small change that during 1945-1989 he might have got stripped of his nationality (unlawfully surely, but would have need to be corrected then). Either way - contacting the consulate/embassy is the way to go for the Polish citizenship path....
2. Original document proving your Polish citizenship: current Polish passport or/and Polish ID Card.
You can still apply for your passport if your current passport is damaged, lost or stolen. If your passport has been lost or stolen, it should be reported immediately during a passport appointment by completing an appropriate statement to help protect yourself against identity theft and to prevent someone else from using your passport. You should also report the incident to the police and obtain a police report or crime reference number. Passports reported damaged, lost or stolen are invalidated and can no longer be used for travel. Once a passport is reported lost or stolen, it cannot be re-validated.
4. You must provide a PESEL number or Polish Birth Certificate and/or a Polish Marriage Certificate if you are changing your name following marriage.
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Double check if there is a PESEL number in your uncle's expired Passport. Ask your uncle if he has birth certificate, this would also help. He should be able to use his expired passport to apply for a new one.
Yes, you are probably right. The best option would be contacting the Polish consulate and asking them for advice. Don't use the email provided on their website as they hardly ever reply. Try to phone them instead.adam_now wrote:PESEL was only introduced in 1979, so his passport from 1945 surely will not have it. I am not certain that using ONLY his passport issued by Polish government in exile would suffice (although current government does officially recognize itself as continuation of it), but no harm in phoning up the consulate and asking (I suppose his pre-war birth certificate might also prove helpful). There's however a very small change that during 1945-1989 he might have got stripped of his nationality (unlawfully surely, but would have need to be corrected then). Either way - contacting the consulate/embassy is the way to go for the Polish citizenship path....
2. Original document proving your Polish citizenship: current Polish passport or/and Polish ID Card.
You can still apply for your passport if your current passport is damaged, lost or stolen. If your passport has been lost or stolen, it should be reported immediately during a passport appointment by completing an appropriate statement to help protect yourself against identity theft and to prevent someone else from using your passport. You should also report the incident to the police and obtain a police report or crime reference number. Passports reported damaged, lost or stolen are invalidated and can no longer be used for travel. Once a passport is reported lost or stolen, it cannot be re-validated.
4. You must provide a PESEL number or Polish Birth Certificate and/or a Polish Marriage Certificate if you are changing your name following marriage.
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Double check if there is a PESEL number in your uncle's expired Passport. Ask your uncle if he has birth certificate, this would also help. He should be able to use his expired passport to apply for a new one.
Hubert said that his uncle parents were Polish so he was born as Polish Citizen, it does't matter if the place of his birth is in Poland now if it was in Poland than.Richard W wrote:I don't follow your logic here, as Polish citizenship is generally inherited, and not derived from place of birth or residential status of parents.boloney wrote:seems like he is Polish citizen as anyone who was born in Poland, he can apply for Polish passport.
A more serious issue, in the absence of information, is whether he lost Polish citizenship (as the title implies he once held it) as a result of territorial loss, ethnic cleansing or some other cause. We don't know which country his place of birth is now in, and we don't know his ethnicity - he might be an ethnic German or an ethnic Ukrainian from Lviv. Given his age, I presume the objective is to speedily obtain him a passport, preferably an EU passport.
I'm beginning to believe the uncle is ethnically Polish, but it hasn't been stated. I'm still not clear on how the Germans of pre-war Poland and the Ukrainians of pre-war Poland for the most part lost their Polish citizenship. Was the process restricted to those who physically ended up in Germany or the Soviet Union, or were lists of citizens reviewed?boloney wrote:Hubert said that his uncle parents were Polish so he was born as Polish Citizen, it does't matter if the place of his birth is in Poland now if it was in Poland than.
Correct, since the borders changed drastically in Eastern Europe and Poland actually has become a new country (Polish People's Republic) also citizenships have been changed (mostly by force). E.g. whoever by a certain cut-off date has found himself on Soviet Union territory was 'granted' soviet citizenship and his previous ones revoked (though truth be told they have already been non-existent for the past 6 years, from 1939 due to either Nazi or Soviet occupation).Richard W wrote:I'm beginning to believe the uncle is ethnically Polish, but it hasn't been stated. I'm still not clear on how the Germans of pre-war Poland and the Ukrainians of pre-war Poland for the most part lost their Polish citizenship. Was the process restricted to those who physically ended up in Germany or the Soviet Union, or were lists of citizens reviewed?
A birth certificate may be relatively easy to obtain if your uncle knows precisely where he was born. Apparently the Ukrainian authorities are used to digging them out for descendants of Poles who emigrated freely. Unfortunately, they are no use if the location is vague to unknown.Herbert100 wrote:But as the whereabouts of the documentation, Poland or Ukraine, is uncertain the cost of finding it will be several hundreds to thousands of Euros with no certainty of success.