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surely if they really want the cards back they inform people until such time there is very little chance of anyone ever being fined for something that they would be unaware of especially in this case where they changed the rules in Jan send out letters confirming citizenship but do not request the card to be returned. So one would assume that they do not require it back and the applicant can keep it.Chinho2k wrote:You do know that it now needs to be returned so in my opinion you can travel at your own risk but I sure as hell wouldn't want to risk that hefty fine. Good luck buddy
ohara wrote:The requirement to return ILR BRP after ceremony was only added to the AN form in January 2016 and I don't believe HO are currently enforcing the rule retrospectively.
It is a fact however that ILR ceases to exist once you become a British citizen and the BRP is therefore immediately invalid as a travel document and it is entirely at your own risk if you choose to attempt to re-enter the UK on one once you are naturalised.
You have up to 90 days to attend the ceremony after approval, surely you can use this to your advantage in order to travel if you need to. It does seem a bit odd that so many people are naturalising yet the first thing they want to do afterwards is leave the country for a long period of time.
See above and other comments in this thread. It probably depends much on the co-operation of the Immigration Officer at the port of entry. + the issue of the £1,000 fine for non-return within 5 days of the ceremony. I believe that there also reports of airlines now having the facility to check the validity of the BRP on check-in outside of the UK.JohnnyZee wrote:Guys- I managed to enter UK with my BRP over one month after my ceremony. Sorry, I am on mobile and unable to type too much. Perhaps check my previous posts if you want details. But in short, it can work. All the best.
The information doesn't change...the card simply becomes void. Think of it in the same way as a credit/bank card which has been cancelled. It wouldn't continue to function. As ohara has already pointed out...it may not be a problem at the UK Border, but you may not make it that far. It's your decision.Perpglo wrote:Does the information stored on the brp card change after naturalisation? Just seems crazy to think if I'd waited to naturalise until after I'd travelled, I wouldn't be in this position of stressing about using foreign passport and BRP. I'd like to hear from people who've naturalised and used BRP to reenter UK and if any questions were asked. I'm pretty sure that legally it would be difficult for them to impose a fine seeing as I'd have to have read on the website that returning the card within 5 days is required now. They could try but I'd appeal against it. Should only be on applications from January that this applies to and be some leeway for previous applicants.
No worries. Yes, I travelled end of Jan. All the best.Perpglo wrote:Thanks JohnnyZee! I realise I'm taking a risk doing this, but I see no other way except cancelling the trip which has been booked and planned months in advance. Didn't think the citizenship process would be so quick and totally my fault for not knowing naturalisation invalidates ILR, but I'm hoping I can explain the situation on returning to the UK if questions are asked. Out of interest, was it recent that you travelled and re-entered the UK with your BRP after naturalising?
It does seem a bit odd that so many people give the wrong information out in forums, letter from the Home office you have 21 days from the date of the letter which can take over a week to arrive from when dated to make an appointment so you most people it would not be possible to travel first as you suggestohara wrote:The requirement to return ILR BRP after ceremony was only added to the AN form in January 2016 and I don't believe HO are currently enforcing the rule retrospectively.
It is a fact however that ILR ceases to exist once you become a British citizen and the BRP is therefore immediately invalid as a travel document and it is entirely at your own risk if you choose to attempt to re-enter the UK on one once you are naturalised.
You have up to 90 days to attend the ceremony after approval, surely you can use this to your advantage in order to travel if you need to. It does seem a bit odd that so many people are naturalising yet the first thing they want to do afterwards is leave the country for a long period of time.
Casa wrote:Many members arrange for someone to open the post for them while they are away. A simple phone call from anywhere in the world is all it takes to book a date for the ceremony.
I was simply responding to your post.johnch121 wrote:Casa wrote:Many members arrange for someone to open the post for them while they are away. A simple phone call from anywhere in the world is all it takes to book a date for the ceremony.
Someone may well do that but the reference was that you have 90 days which one would assume is meant to be from receiving your letter which is not the case you have 21 days to book your appointment and many places try to get you to have you ceremony as soon as.
The point of the post was to see if anyone had used there naturalisation Certificate to return to the UK not to get some of the answers which people have posted.
It is known for a fact that and person can not be refused entry into a country they are a citizen of, so in that respect the naturalisation Certificate proves this. I just wanted to know what sort of if any delays there would be at Heathrow.
Really? My understanding is that the UK has signed but not fully ratified a convention to that effect. Indeed, the Immigration Directorate Instructions Chapter 1 – Section 1 Right of Abode Paragraph 3.3 says:johnch121 wrote:It is known for a fact that and person can not be refused entry into a country they are a citizen of, so in that respect the naturalisation Certificate proves this. I just wanted to know what sort of if any delays there would be at Heathrow.
So, according to the instructions (and Immigration Rule 12), a claim to be a British citizen not backed up by a British passport or a certificate of entitlement is to be ignored. The requirement to present a passport or certificate of entitlement was introduced to prevent delays caused by people presenting other documents.A passenger seeking to enter the United Kingdom and claiming to have the right of abode, but who is unable to produce any of the documentary evidence noted in paragraph 3 (above) or is subject to the restrictions on exercise of the right of abode mentioned in paragraph 2, should be treated as subject to control. Such a person should be examined in order to establish whether or not he qualifies for leave to enter. If, for example, he is claiming entry for settlement and the Rules require the production of an entry clearance, then refusal would follow if he is not in possession of such an entry clearance.
You have claimed to have the right of abode in the United Kingdom but you have not produced a United Kingdom passport describing you as a British citizen or as a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies with the right of abode; and you do not hold a certificate of entitlement".
Richard W wrote:Really? My understanding is that the UK has signed but not fully ratified a convention to that effect. Indeed, the Immigration Directorate Instructions Chapter 1 – Section 1 Right of Abode Paragraph 3.3 says:johnch121 wrote:It is known for a fact that and person can not be refused entry into a country they are a citizen of, so in that respect the naturalisation Certificate proves this. I just wanted to know what sort of if any delays there would be at Heathrow.So, according to the instructions (and Immigration Rule 12), a claim to be a British citizen not backed up by a British passport or a certificate of entitlement is to be ignored. The requirement to present a passport or certificate of entitlement was introduced to prevent delays caused by people presenting other documents.A passenger seeking to enter the United Kingdom and claiming to have the right of abode, but who is unable to produce any of the documentary evidence noted in paragraph 3 (above) or is subject to the restrictions on exercise of the right of abode mentioned in paragraph 2, should be treated as subject to control. Such a person should be examined in order to establish whether or not he qualifies for leave to enter. If, for example, he is claiming entry for settlement and the Rules require the production of an entry clearance, then refusal would follow if he is not in possession of such an entry clearance.
The standard refusal formula isYou have claimed to have the right of abode in the United Kingdom but you have not produced a United Kingdom passport describing you as a British citizen or as a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies with the right of abode; and you do not hold a certificate of entitlement".