- FAQ
- Login
- Register
- Call Workpermit.com for a paid service +44 (0)344-991-9222
ESC
Welcome to immigrationboards.com!
Moderators: Casa, Amber, archigabe, batleykhan, ca.funke, ChetanOjha, EUsmileWEallsmile, JAJ, John, Obie, push, geriatrix, vinny, CR001, zimba, meself2
If HO are on the ball and cancel your ILR speedily & efficiently then not much to be done apart from rescheduling travel.jalsaqla wrote:Hello,
I recently attended the citizenship ceremony not knowing that I will loose my ILR immediately. I need to urgently travel to a conference. What should I do?
Thanks
All you can do is wing it then. You can certainly leave UK, the challenge will be to board a plane to return.jalsaqla wrote:Cancelling my travels is not an option for me. I need a solution other than cancelling my travel.
You'll note that I said in my previous post that this is an unknown quantity at present due to the Rules being only recently introduced. Be assured that the HO will start to collect fines for the non-return of the BRP...it just a question of how soon. I would rather make members aware that there are risks...instead of having to read posts later on where advice has been over-optimistic.JohnnyZee wrote:Guys - Why are we being scaremongers here? Can anyone tell me who has been fined £1,000 for not returning their BRP? Also, comments such as one "risk(s) prosecution (criminal record)" are totally unfounded. I would like to see how something like this can create a criminal record? Please provide your source.
I am really disappointed that some of the advice here is not based on rules and regulations, but rather personal opinions. Please let's try to be responsible. Also I am gutted to see "admins" making such errors. They need to be the ones setting the example.
I am all for giving advice, but please let's not misguide others. This is a beautiful forum and let's try to maintain it's reputation. Thank you.
Messenger - shoot - don't.JohnnyZee wrote:Guys - Why are we being scaremongers here? Can anyone tell me who has been fined £1,000 for not returning their BRP? Also, comments such as one "risk(s) prosecution (criminal record)" are totally unfounded. I would like to see how something like this can create a criminal record? Please provide your source.
I am really disappointed that some of the advice here is not based on rules and regulations, but rather personal opinions. Please let's try to be responsible. Also I am gutted to see "admins" making such errors. They need to be the ones setting the example.
I am all for giving advice, but please let's not misguide others. This is a beautiful forum and let's try to maintain it's reputation. Thank you.
- regardless of the below facts...it's fine, go to conference, don't worry about it, the airlines are all so incompetent & never check visas anyway, their security is a joke and ofcourse IO will welcome you back with open arms - she may even carry your bag for you...
See also https://www.gov.uk/becoming-a-british-c ... p-ceremonyFailure to return a BRP to the Home Office following a grant of British citizenship may result in the issuance of a financial penalty
If one is prosecuted for this one will acquire a record.You’ll be fined up to £1,000 if you don’t return your permit in 5 days.
Explained beautifully, CasaCasa wrote:...
Forewarned is always forearmed
+1tripping wrote:No JohnnyZee, the admins were not scaremongering as you put it.
The OP was asking for suggestions on what to do in his circumstance, and the admins were helpful in providing potential solutions, and stated the consequences ( fine of £1000 if BRP is not returned within 5 days and risking criminal record, boarding compllications on the return flight) if those options were followed through. Whether or not we know of anyone who was fined and actually faced those consequences is irrelevant, those are the facts and rules, and anyone caught in the OP's situation must be made aware of them.
It is the responsibility of the OP to be fully aware of all the myriad rules and constant changes regarding BC, the forum and google have a wealth of this information. Personal planning has to take these into account. Ignorance of the rules is no excuse as getting BC is a huge undertaking. The admins arent here to molly coddle anyone, just stating facts and rules and thats the reality the OP is facing. It is unfortunate that the OP is in this situation, so will have to make his own decision to deal with it.
There are posts here based on indisputable facts sourced from official HO documents that people can read and use as they wish.johnch121 wrote:...
After extensive research I have been unable to find a single case where a person who has presented a BRP with there citizenship certificate being refused entry into the UK at worst you face a delay how long that is depends on how fast the Immigration office checks your details and gets approval.
There certainly seems to be a lot of posts that are pure scare mongering and not based on fact
There probably arent any documented cases of anyone who was refused entry on that basis. What we are saying is that, there is a risk of it happening based purely on the rules, and on the scale of probability of this happening to the OP or anyone in a similar situation, well that's up to fate. You are speculating and what the airlines may/may not do. Why tempt fate? They may very well be ok winging it with the expired BRP and/or naturalisation certificate, as some people clearly have done, or they may not. As Noajthan has mentioned, those are the official HO rules, interpret them as you wish especially in light of current events regarding airport security. You have been warned.johnch121 wrote:Following a grant of citizenship your BRP will be cancelled, which means a carrier
may refuse to accept it as evidence that you are entitled to reside in the UK.
As all airlines do not have access to UK immigration computers at the point of check in and with being presented with a BRP which appears to be valid from a date point of view check in should really not be a problem as many people have already done so.
After extensive research I have been unable to find a single case where a person who has presented a BRP with there citizenship certificate being refused entry into the UK at worst you face a delay how long that is depends on how fast the Immigration office checks your details and gets approval.
There certainly seems to be a lot of posts that are pure scare mongering and not based on fact
Perhaps you could generously offer to help pay for any members who may be fined for the non-return of the BRP.johnch121 wrote:One thing that should not be forgotten is upon a person ariving back to the UK without a right to abode stamp in there passport and want to use an expired BRP and Citizenship document is:
It should be remembered that the absence of evidence to establish a claim to the right of abode is not, in itself, a ground for refusal of entry.
Airlines do not need such 'direct access' to 'UK immigration files', that's not how its done.johnch121 wrote:airlines do not have direct access to UK immigration files from check in they can of course request the required information but that has to be a formal request to the UK border agency. Pretty much the same as the US don't have access to criminal records unless they make a formal request to the relevant department. Unless the UK wants to totally ignore the data protection act and the Human rights act. This information can made made even harder to obtain if said person is outside of the EEABy the way, don't be so sure that airlines are unable to check whether the BRP is still active as the card has a machine readable zone (MRZ) Machine readable zone (MRZ) which allows information printed on the permit to be read instantly by machine. The ' chip inside' symbol on the front is provided by The International Civil Aviation Organisation (governing air travel worldwide)
Have you read through all the lengthy (and contentious) discussions in this thread? I don't think we can repeat them all over again. You must make your own conclusions based on the various opinions already given.kankerot wrote:Looks like we are in a similar position, we will just have to wait for the citizenship certificate to come through.
So will travelling to the US and back be ok on a US passport and then showing a british citizen cert at customs? Or will we need to get the UK passport as well. I messed up not applying for both at the same time - never knew about the fast track and its really cutting into our travel plans.