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Hi Nazar jan123Nazar jan123 wrote:Tkank you very much casa.
One last question plz
What documents do I need to submit with eea2 application. Will they sent COA with right to work.thanks
Good hard-working but worried people, there's a fundamental misunderstanding going on here.Nazar jan123 wrote:Thanks for your reply.
I can apply for another RC.bcz my EEA partner is working since 2103 as a self-employed and we both have comprehensive sickness insurance as well .we have all other documents such as bank statements and all utility bills on both names.
My question is when I sent my application for RC will they give me permission to work or I will be not allowed to work.2 question is do I have to wait another 5 years to apply for pr.
If sponsor has been working since 2013 and continues to do so then the earlist you may acquire PR is 5 years from then. So looks like sometime in 2018 or thereabouts.Nazar jan123 wrote:Thanks for your reply.
I can apply for another RC.bcz my EEA partner is working since 2103 as a self-employed and we both have comprehensive sickness insurance as well .
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.2 question is do I have to wait another 5 years to apply for pr.
Nazar jan123 wrote:.in 2011 she stop working and I was the one doing work from 2011 to 2016.in 2013 she started started working for 3/years when I applied for eea4 in December 2016
That part is correct as she needs to have exercised treaty rights for five continuous years and she had not done so.Nazar jan123 wrote:My eea4 refused bcz in that 2 years gap both of us didn't hold any CSI .
I do not think that this would be the correct case to refer to.noajthan wrote:If an unsympathetic or risk-averse (or plain ignorant) employer suspends or fires someone due to no COA then there is legal recourse.
See https://www.freemovement.org.uk/sponsor ... dismissal/
(We are not savages).
@Simon,secret.simon wrote:...
I do not think that this would be the correct case to refer to.
For direct Family Members, their right to work is generated by their relationship to the EEA citizen and the COA and RC are merely evidentairy of their right to work.
But, in the case of EFMs, I believe that the right to work is generated by the Residence Card, which is pretty much what the COA that is issued to them confirms (that they have no right to work until the RC is issued).
The case that you referred to was that of a spouse, a direct Family Member. The OP is an EFM and I submit that he does not have the right to work in the absence of a currently valid RC.
This judge's musings puts it well...This Directive shall apply to all Union citizens who move to or reside in a Member State other than that of which they are a national, and to their family members as defined in point 2 of Article 2 who accompany or join them.
2. Without prejudice to any right to free movement and residence the persons concerned may have in their own right, the host Member State shall, in accordance with its national legislation, facilitate entry and residence for the following persons:
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(b) the partner with whom the Union citizen has a durable relationship, duly attested.
The host Member State shall undertake an extensive examination of the personal circumstances and shall justify any denial of entry or residence to these people.
Ref https://tribunalsdecisions.service.gov.uk/utiac/3785288. I...
Equally, it is an important aspect of Community law relating to the right to free movement of persons that since that right is one of the “founding freedoms” established by the Treaty, it is to be given a broad meaning and conditions and limitations placed upon it must be narrowly construed. As expressed in recital 14, in relation to the supporting documentation required by the competent authorities for the issuing of a registration certificate or of a residence card, these “should be comprehensively specified in order to avoid divergent administrative practices or interpretations constituting an undue obstacle to the exercise of the right of residence by Union citizens and their family members”.
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89. However, none of these requirements shift the burden of proof from the applicant or appellant and, where there is any lessening of the requirement to prove certain facts, this are the subject of specific provision. In the absence of such specific provision, it is clear that it is an underlying principle of Community law that Member States are entitled under their national laws to require appellants to prove they possess the EU rights they claim.
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90. What the above means for applicants and appellants seeking to rely on EEA rights is that unless able to point to a specific provision of Community law limiting the need to produce evidence, applicants and appellants must expect that a failure to produce relevant evidence may well mean that the decision in their case will be a negative one, based on their failure to substantiate that they have any EEA right.
No, not 5 years as you are now applying for a RC (not confirmation of PR).Nazar jan123 wrote:Thanks to all members.
please my question is when iam applying for RC do I need include all the five years proof of residency because I got all the paperwork.will they be quick .when I applied for eea4 HO took more than 5 months to refused the application.thanks
You have already explained you do not have a valid RC. It will have expired last December.Nazar jan123 wrote:Hi.
My appeal time is over its 2 weeks now.today I went to solicitor to tell him that I will apply for another eea2 RC.the solicitor told me that u can't apply for another eea2 bcz u already had one.he told me that we will apply again for pr with fresh documents. I don't know what to do now.plz help me.is the solicitor is right?or can I apply for RC ?solicitor said that home office will refused my RC bcz I jump from pr to RC. But the pr is already refused. Thanks for every one help
So you can apply for a RC - you are not limited to having just one RC (ever).... in august 2010 I applied for RC and I received my visa for 5 years in December 2010
Thanks very much for your quick reply.noajthan wrote:You have already explained you do not have a valid RC. It will have expired last December.Nazar jan123 wrote:Hi.
My appeal time is over its 2 weeks now.today I went to solicitor to tell him that I will apply for another eea2 RC.the solicitor told me that u can't apply for another eea2 bcz u already had one.he told me that we will apply again for pr with fresh documents. I don't know what to do now.plz help me.is the solicitor is right?or can I apply for RC ?solicitor said that home office will refused my RC bcz I jump from pr to RC. But the pr is already refused. Thanks for every one help
So you can apply for a RC - you are not limited to having just one RC (ever).... in august 2010 I applied for RC and I received my visa for 5 years in December 2010
You also need to have a valid RC as you are an EFM.
And you cannot apply for confirmation of PR as you have already explained partner has gaps in exercising treaty rights.
How much is solicitor charging for this advice and to file applications? You may wish to dig into that.
As I said, my understanding is you can apply.Nazar jan123 wrote:Thanks very much for your quick reply.
Now my RC expired. Why I can't apply for RC again? The solicitor will charge £700.
I have all the documents her self-employed papers and even we have CSI for both of us.the problem is my if I apply my self I need a covering letter plus to fill the form.noajthan wrote:As I said, my understanding is you can apply.Nazar jan123 wrote:Thanks very much for your quick reply.
Now my RC expired. Why I can't apply for RC again? The solicitor will charge £700.
You do not need to pay £700.
You can apply by yourself. People here in forum can help.
The RC fee is £65 plus cost of biometrics.
Make sure you have good and recent evidence of sponsor exercising treaty rights.
Sounds like you are all set.Nazar jan123 wrote:I have all the documents her self-employed papers and even we have CSI for both of us.the problem is my if I apply my self I need a covering letter plus to fill the form.
Thanks for your helpful advice.noajthan wrote:Sounds like you are all set.Nazar jan123 wrote:I have all the documents her self-employed papers and even we have CSI for both of us.the problem is my if I apply my self I need a covering letter plus to fill the form.
You don't really need a covering letter - just fill in the form.
You can try to apply yourself - see how you get on.
If you need support suggest contacting a migrant support group or a community law centre or the local CAB in your area.
You should not need to pay anyone £700 unless you really really wish to do so.
Doh! That seems quite silly.Nazar jan123 wrote:Thanks for your helpful advice.
I went to migrant support group today I told them my situation.they said they r only for refugees your case is deferent from refugees case.I just want a cover letter and fill the form.I don't know the solicitor just taking slots of money.