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As Greece is a member of the Schengen agreement, your husband's Greek residence permit already gives him the ability to travel throughout the Schengen area without needing another visa.xhesika wrote:I want to go to greece to live with my husband who already has his 2nd two year greek residence permit (he is non-eu national+ i a british citizen) but we would like to exercise my eu treaty rights by applying for a family permit so we can freely travel throughout europe with no stress etc when we want to go on holiday + also so we can settle in greece for a while as a married couple etc. I have looked on the links about 'the surinder singh case but I cannot find any info about application forms, documents needed for sucessful application,fees, or where we have to apply...................Please, any help will be appreciated.
Which embassy did you apply to in which city? Contesting what claims? What evidence do you think you need to provide?xhesika wrote:Hve spoken to someone today, they say that we should apply again at the embassy submitting new evidence+contesting their claims, so i will go out and find a job, even if it kills me and I cant fly out there at the min due to docs advice so keeping us apart is infact breaching our human rights?
o i dont know its all so complicated, weve been doing this for 4 years now + it wont stop yet as far as i know
Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Which embassy did you apply to in which city? Contesting what claims? What evidence do you think you need to provide?xhesika wrote:Hve spoken to someone today, they say that we should apply again at the embassy submitting new evidence+contesting their claims, so i will go out and find a job, even if it kills me and I cant fly out there at the min due to docs advice so keeping us apart is infact breaching our human rights?
o i dont know its all so complicated, weve been doing this for 4 years now + it wont stop yet as far as i know
What exactly has been happening in the past 4 years?
If you provide a little clear background information it will make it a lot easier to direct you towards suitable resources.
As far as I understand, you are already both settled and living together as a married couple in Greece. But what you wrote above makes it sound like you that is a goal but not what is presently happening. Which is correct?xhesika wrote:I want to go to greece to live with my husband [...] also so we can settle in greece for a while as a married couple etc.
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WE HAVE BEEN LIVING IN GREECE FOR THE PAST YEAR
we were living in greece from january 24th 2007 to november 28th 2007(i have only tickets for airoplane as proof of this as i didnt realise until reading this forum that you should register your presence for stays of more than 3 months) but I now live in UK and my husband in greece because i had a stroke+ had to return to uk sooner than expected and now i cant fly in the immediate future+his visa has been denied.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:As far as I understand, you are already both settled and living together as a married couple in Greece. But what you wrote above makes it sound like you that is a goal but not what is presently happening. Which is correct?xhesika wrote:I want to go to greece to live with my husband [...] also so we can settle in greece for a while as a married couple etc.
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WE HAVE BEEN LIVING IN GREECE FOR THE PAST YEAR
It also sounds from what you said that your husband has a history of purchasing false identities and that the UK embassy in Athens seems aware that he has used other travel documents in the past.
You might want to consider what whether your husband has told you the complete honest story about his previous travels to the UK, and under which name and passport he travelled. It may be he is leaving out important information which will make the answer from the embassy make more sense.
If he wishes to travel to the UK, he will need to be very honest in the application. He may have lied in the past, but he needs to stop doing it now.
Best of luck to both of you in your life together!
I now live in UK because i had a stroke+ had to return to uk sooner than expected and now i cant fly in the immediate future.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:As far as I understand, you are already both settled and living together as a married couple in Greece. But what you wrote above makes it sound like you that is a goal but not what is presently happening. Which is correct?xhesika wrote:I want to go to greece to live with my husband [...] also so we can settle in greece for a while as a married couple etc.
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WE HAVE BEEN LIVING IN GREECE FOR THE PAST YEAR
It also sounds from what you said that your husband has a history of purchasing false identities and that the UK embassy in Athens seems aware that he has used other travel documents in the past.
You might want to consider what whether your husband has told you the complete honest story about his previous travels to the UK, and under which name and passport he travelled. It may be he is leaving out important information which will make the answer from the embassy make more sense.
If he wishes to travel to the UK, he will need to be very honest in the application. He may have lied in the past, but he needs to stop doing it now.
Best of luck to both of you in your life together!
yes and ill go hang myself of the nearest tree!Dawie wrote:I don't see what the big deal is. Judging by your husband's past, he's pretty lucky to be able to live in Greece, plus he has a Greek residence permit that allows him to travel all over Europe.
Ok, so he can't visit the UK or Ireland, but big deal. He's not really missing that much. Why not just settle down in sunny Greece and forget about the UK? If your husband waits long enough he will either become a Greek citizen after a few years, or Albania will join the EU. Either way he will eventually be able to visit the UK without a visa.
DawieDawie wrote:I don't see what the big deal is. Judging by your husband's past, he's pretty lucky to be able to live in Greece, plus he has a Greek residence permit that allows him to travel all over Europe.
Ok, so he can't visit the UK or Ireland, but big deal. He's not really missing that much. Why not just settle down in sunny Greece and forget about the UK? If your husband waits long enough he will either become a Greek citizen after a few years, or Albania will join the EU. Either way he will eventually be able to visit the UK without a visa.
As the law stands, only Greek citizens have an absolute right to live in Greece, and EU citizens have a conditional right to live there. Non-EU citizens do NOT have as much right to live in Greece as anyone else.I find it amusing that you think its pretty lucky that he is allowed to stay in greece, he has just as much right as anyone else who wants to go there though I doubt us europeans have to foot the bill he does when applying for a permit!
A spouse who had married an overseas overstayer was entitled to have his right to a family life to be taken into account, although he was not a formal party to the proceedings seeking the removal of the overstayer.
The Court of Appeal so held, allowing the appeal of the claimant, AB, against the dismissal by the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal of her appeal against the refusal by the Secretary of State for the Home Department, on September 8, 2004, of her application for leave to remain on the ground of her marriage.
Depending on the particular case, there could be a world of difference between expecting a foreign national, although settled here, to return with his family to his country of origin and expecting a British citizen who had lived here all his life and had an inalienable right of abode here, to live and work and find accommodation in another country or else forfeit his marriage.
In substance, though not in form, the claimant’s husband was a party to the proceedings. It was as much his marriage as hers which was in jeopardy, and it was the impact of removal on him rather than on her which, given the passage of time since the marriage, was critical. His Convention rights were as fully engaged as hers.
It could not be permissible to give less than detailed and anxious consideration to the situation of a British citizen who had lived here all his life before it was held reasonable and proportionate to expect him to emigrate to a foreign country in order to keep his marriage intact.
THIS IS GENERALLY THE SAME FOR ALL COUNTRIES HONEY!Dawie wrote:As the law stands, only Greek citizens have an absolute right to live in Greece, and EU citizens have a conditional right to live there. Non-EU citizens do NOT have as much right to live in Greece as anyone else.I find it amusing that you think its pretty lucky that he is allowed to stay in greece, he has just as much right as anyone else who wants to go there though I doubt us europeans have to foot the bill he does when applying for a permit!