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I did not know at the time, otherwise I would not have been in this position and I would not particularly choose to be. So there is no need to be so judgmental about "Overstayers" because at the end of the day we are all human being you know. So it would be nice if we all try to be a bit understanding to each other's circumstances.SYH wrote:If you submitted an application for ltr before the visitor visa expired, then you wouldn't be in the same lot as the overstayers who didn't try to work within the rules.
you missed my pointweldsousa2007 wrote:I did not know at the time, otherwise I would not have been in this position and I would not particularly choose to be. So there is no need to be so judgmental about "Overstayers" because at the end of the day we are all human being you know. So it would be nice if we all try to be a bit understanding to each other's circumstances.SYH wrote:If you submitted an application for ltr before the visitor visa expired, then you wouldn't be in the same lot as the overstayers who didn't try to work within the rules.
cheers!
I must admit too I cannot excuse overstaying, or consider it a small indiscretion.SYH wrote:you missed my pointweldsousa2007 wrote:I did not know at the time, otherwise I would not have been in this position and I would not particularly choose to be. So there is no need to be so judgmental about "Overstayers" because at the end of the day we are all human being you know. So it would be nice if we all try to be a bit understanding to each other's circumstances.SYH wrote:If you submitted an application for ltr before the visitor visa expired, then you wouldn't be in the same lot as the overstayers who didn't try to work within the rules.
cheers!
guilty conscious
You are both entitle to your opinion and I would probably agree with what you've said. However, that is not the reason why I wrote in this forum. So if you could provide some help that would be better appreciated.Wanderer wrote:I must admit too I cannot excuse overstaying, or consider it a small indiscretion.SYH wrote:you missed my pointweldsousa2007 wrote:I did not know at the time, otherwise I would not have been in this position and I would not particularly choose to be. So there is no need to be so judgmental about "Overstayers" because at the end of the day we are all human being you know. So it would be nice if we all try to be a bit understanding to each other's circumstances.SYH wrote:If you submitted an application for ltr before the visitor visa expired, then you wouldn't be in the same lot as the overstayers who didn't try to work within the rules.
cheers!
guilty conscious
Just my two Kopekii....
Thank you for you thoughts, I do appreciate that.ilm wrote:Here are my none professional thoughts from someone has been here for a while and had first hand exprience of a spouse who was an overstayer.
1, If you are married you can apply for a spouse visa, if not it is either a fiance visa or any other visa that leads to settlement in the UK if you qualify. The time you have lived together in the UK won't cound for unmarried partners BTW.
2, I don't know how you can chase the application, read how others having one about it on these boards. Based on the 'facts' though it is very unlikely your application will be accepted anyway as you will see if you read posts on this board about overstayers. Also overstayers can't study and can't work.
Obviously you feel there are 'compassionate grounds' which may make a difference but as you havn't mentioned them I assume they are not very strong. Everyone in your position, I know from experience, feels their case is special and should get special treatment. The simple fact is overstayers in the UK get very little sympathy and have to follow the rules just like everyone else.
Best of luck with whatever you do. Read up on your situation and come back with more specific questions about you options, you are far more likely to get helpful replies. It is posible to resolve you situation but it won't be easy.
Really? Earns a lot, but her woman bits just messed up her brain (all that oestrogen perhaps) and so it's too hard for her to adjust to a new culture? No other reason for this difficulty other than her gender? Sorry but it is not obvious to me why being a woman would make it more difficult to adjust to another culture. Maybe it is easier for women to adjust compared to men! Do you have any evidence for this bit?weldsousa2007 wrote:and as a woman will find it difficult to adjust in a strange culture
I suggest you re-think what you are going to write to the HO, esp.the parts mentioned above. I can think of more than one reason right off the bat why it doesnt sound very plausible.weldsousa2007 wrote: Moreover my partner X is a Christian, does not speak French or Arabic and as a woman will find it difficult to adjust in a strange culture.
v)Because of my conversion from Islam to Christianity, it is risky for me to return to my country even for a very short time to apply for entry clearance under paragraphs 295D of HC 395.
Thank you paper Pusher for taking the time to reply to my post.PaperPusher wrote:Really? Earns a lot, but her woman bits just messed up her brain (all that oestrogen perhaps) and so it's too hard for her to adjust to a new culture? No other reason for this difficulty other than her gender? Sorry but it is not obvious to me why being a woman would make it more difficult to adjust to another culture. Maybe it is easier for women to adjust compared to men! Do you have any evidence for this bit?weldsousa2007 wrote:and as a woman will find it difficult to adjust in a strange culture
You quote DP 3/96, but this appears to be for married couples. Did this apply to unmarried couples at any time? If not, how could you have benefited from it? I read it on the BIA website but it does not mention couples who are not married.
Hybrid applications - DP 3/96 marriage policy
My non professional thoughts.
Regards
PP
Thank you for you advice Archigabe. I do appreciate it and would appreciate more if you could pm me some of the reasons why it is not very plausible.archigabe wrote:I suggest you re-think what you are going to write to the HO, esp.the parts mentioned above. I can think of more than one reason right off the bat why it doesnt sound very plausible.weldsousa2007 wrote: Moreover my partner X is a Christian, does not speak French or Arabic and as a woman will find it difficult to adjust in a strange culture.
v)Because of my conversion from Islam to Christianity, it is risky for me to return to my country even for a very short time to apply for entry clearance under paragraphs 295D of HC 395.
Thank you SYH for your post.SYH wrote:Weld you are one of the better writers of the posters on here looking for help but that wouldn't even make the HO misty eyed. sorry. compassionate grounds is not going to work. I think you better go back to your country and get EC despite the inhospitable political climate to your change of beliefs. For goodness sake, you don't have to tell them you changed so you are not in danger.
Well then that explains it then, In any case, it doesn't matter if its the cover letter since it summarizes the argument which is weak so you are wasting your time and money with trying it.weldsousa2007 wrote:Thank you SYH for your post.SYH wrote:Weld you are one of the better writers of the posters on here looking for help but that wouldn't even make the HO misty eyed. sorry. compassionate grounds is not going to work. I think you better go back to your country and get EC despite the inhospitable political climate to your change of beliefs. For goodness sake, you don't have to tell them you changed so you are not in danger.
It wasn't me who wrote that letter. It was the cover letter of my application.
Best Regards
SYH wrote:Well then that explains it then, In any case, it doesn't matter if its the cover letter since it summarizes the argument which is weak so you are wasting your time and money with trying it.weldsousa2007 wrote:Thank you SYH for your post.SYH wrote:Weld you are one of the better writers of the posters on here looking for help but that wouldn't even make the HO misty eyed. sorry. compassionate grounds is not going to work. I think you better go back to your country and get EC despite the inhospitable political climate to your change of beliefs. For goodness sake, you don't have to tell them you changed so you are not in danger.
It wasn't me who wrote that letter. It was the cover letter of my application.
Best Regards
In any case, like Victoria said, you have a solicitor. Why would you submit his letter to the forum? I don't think he would appreciate that in the first place but in the second place, your solicitor should have the intimate details of your case to make a case so you are better off sticking with him, then having us check out his work.
In my opinion, its a long shot, this case he has prepared for you and its a waste of time and money and a good way to get on the HO sh*t list. Once rejected likely to be rejected again and again is what I believe.
Thank you SYH for the clarification. I can't comment on solicitor's work for the simple reason that I'm not an immigration connoisseur, so I can't judge his work. Nevertheless, I know that I've got to fight my case by my own and look for loopholes to solve it.SYH wrote:Its called attorney work product but I think you can appreciate no one likes their work to put out their for public view unless notified that that will be the case.weldsousa2007 wrote: My solicitor doesn't have "the all copyrights reserved" of the cover letter
I presume you've had an in country application before the out of country one.ilm wrote:I can't blame you from trying to apply outside the rules or dream that there may be a loophole. We were exactly the same for 7 years. From reading this forum and other related information on the web it soon became very clear there weren't any and an in country application would be futile even though our solicitor at the time advised we make one. He also advised against returning to make an out of country application?
I have yet to hear of a successful, straight forward, in country application for an overstayer even though I have been assured there are some? It was also very clear that the waiting time was in years rather than the months that our solicitor advised. Your case seems pretty straight forward to me and although you solicitor has made what may appear a convincing argument, it is nothing more than clutching at straws.