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NEW CHANGES IN HSMP IN YEAR 2008- AGE .

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NEW CHANGES IN HSMP IN YEAR 2008- AGE .

Post by vijay_4U » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:57 pm

ACCORDING TO OLD SYSTEMS:

BELOW 29 OR UNDER- 20 POINTS

30 OR 31 - 10 POINTS

32 OR 33 - 5 POINTS


ACCORDING TO NEW SYSTEM

BELOW 28- 20 POINTS

28 OR 29 - 10 POINTS

30 OR 31- 5 POINTS

Can somebody shed a light on this??? This is the only diffrence i have found in old and new system. Also regarding the extension it was2+3 as per old system??? wht will happen in new rules!!!

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Post by seanjoe » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:06 pm

may i ask where you got this news from?
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Post by gordon » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:14 pm

I think what you've characterised as the 'new' system is what has been in place for initial applications since Nov 06. This should not be confused with FLR applications (misleadingly called the 'old' system) made at the end of the initial two-year leave, in which the age-point brackets are moved forward two years (e.g., the 27yo who got 20 age points at initial approval could then claim those same 20 points 2 years later in the extension application).

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Post by vijay_4U » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:25 pm

OLD SYSTEM WHICH IS IN RUNNING NOW.. UPTIL NOW. NEW SYSTEM COMING IN YEAR 2008.

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Re: NEW CHANGES IN HSMP IN YEAR 2008- AGE .

Post by VictoriaS » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:30 pm

vijay_4U wrote:ACCORDING TO OLD SYSTEMS:

BELOW 29 OR UNDER- 20 POINTS

30 OR 31 - 10 POINTS

32 OR 33 - 5 POINTS


ACCORDING TO NEW SYSTEM

BELOW 28- 20 POINTS

28 OR 29 - 10 POINTS

30 OR 31- 5 POINTS

Can somebody shed a light on this??? This is the only diffrence i have found in old and new system. Also regarding the extension it was2+3 as per old system??? wht will happen in new rules!!!
This is wrong.

The 'new' points assessment for age is exactly the same as the old!!!


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2008 HSMP

Post by amtbhatnagar » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:14 am

what is the change then , and in which catagory of HSMP

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Re: 2008 HSMP

Post by Markie » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:01 pm

HSMP is under Tier 1...Highly Skilled Category...if you read through the document posted in the IND website...it is basically the HSMP guidance rules nothing less...
amtbhatnagar wrote:what is the change then , and in which catagory
of HSMP

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Post by seek hsmp » Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:35 am

As per current HSMP system,

Points for Age:

INITIAL HSMP application:

under 28 - 20 points
28 or 29 - 10 points
30 or 31 - 5 points

FLR HSMP Application

29 or under - 20 points
30 or 31 - 10 points
32 or 33 - 5 points

As per the new Highly Skilled Tier 1 - General sub-category,

Initial

under 28 - 20 points
28 or 29 - 10 points
30 or 31 - 5 points

Extension:

Same points awarded for age as in Initial application without considereing current age

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whats your opinion on Age points?

Post by lemonade » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:47 pm

As of October 2006 the government has updated the Discrimination Act to include age!

“It is no longer lawful to discriminate on grounds of age. Treating staff fairly and recognising individuals' talents and needs is not just the right thing to do, but makes good business sense as wellâ€

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Post by gordon » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:29 pm

Giving age points isn't age discrimination; it's a reflection of the fact that salary differentials are determined in large part by years of experience (a type of discrimination that is lawful). Picture two applicants, one 33yo and another 27yo, with the same education. If the elder earned £40k (45pts) based on his experience, the younger would have to earn only £26k (25 pts) along with his 20 age points to get to the same 45-pt total. So even in that most extreme example, the differential in performance would not be 50%.

If they didn't give age points, the tendency would be toward older workers, who have more years of experience (with commensurate salary) but who are, as a result, more established and therefore less likely to migrate (and more likely to migrate with dependants when they do elect to migrate). The workforce may also experience more difficulty absorbing overseas workers at upper levels, when those workers have little or no UK experience. Things to consider when trying to attract skilled personnel.

Giving age points to younger workers also acknowledges that such workers may have comparable long-term potential to contribute as highly skilled migrants, even if this potential has not yet been fully indicated in their past earnings. This becomes even more relevant when one considers that the first decade after completion of the first degree is the one in which individuals, on average, experience the largest year-on-year earnings growth --- as they settle into a career and move up the steep portion of their learning curve.

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Post by SYH » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:41 am

gordon wrote:Giving age points isn't age discrimination; it's a reflection of the fact that salary differentials are determined in large part by years of experience (a type of discrimination that is lawful). Picture two applicants, one 33yo and another 27yo, with the same education. If the elder earned £40k (45pts) based on his experience, the younger would have to earn only £26k (25 pts) along with his 20 age points to get to the same 45-pt total. So even in that most extreme example, the differential in performance would not be 50%.

If they didn't give age points, the tendency would be toward older workers, who have more years of experience (with commensurate salary) but who are, as a result, more established and therefore less likely to migrate (and more likely to migrate with dependants when they do elect to migrate). The workforce may also experience more difficulty absorbing overseas workers at upper levels, when those workers have little or no UK experience. Things to consider when trying to attract skilled personnel.

Giving age points to younger workers also acknowledges that such workers may have comparable long-term potential to contribute as highly skilled migrants, even if this potential has not yet been fully indicated in their past earnings. This becomes even more relevant when one considers that the first decade after completion of the first degree is the one in which individuals, on average, experience the largest year-on-year earnings growth --- as they settle into a career and move up the steep portion of their learning curve.

AG
Yeah I am with Gordon with this one. There is a basis to award points on age. They probably have stats to back it up. They do with car insurance. That's why they can charge men more than women. I am not going to get into a debate about because men are reckless or women or more careful. Statistics show men getting in more accidents so they can charge accordingly. thus i have to believe the ho has a basis to award points according to age. As for 27/28, you have to pick a point somewhere.

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Post by starman » Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:16 pm

and IQ tests consistently rate whites higher than blacks, so should pay differences be maintained there?? be careful about justifying blanket treatments of groups based on 'statistics'

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