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First, yes CSI was in place.noajthan wrote:And by living in home country for 50% of time its debatable if spouse was even exercising treaty rights rather than visiting a kind of holiday home.
Continuity of residence as a selfsufficient qualified person could have been maintained if only up to 6 months absence from host memberstate in a 12 month period.
If selfsufficient in host memberstate was CSI in place?
So you will probably have a fight on your hands and possible court action required.zerOH wrote:It's not the UK and it definitely does not have a history of supporting Singh judgments.
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This thread was moved out of the UK Immigration section, because neither country was the UK. Hence, I do not think the "Center of Life" assessment comes into this. Also, as the OP mentioned, the EEA citizen spends three weeks at work on a boat in her MSO and three weeks with the TCN spouse in the HMS. Given that she spends equal amount of time in both places, it is hard to decide which is her primary place of residence.mgb wrote:The question is where was the primary residence, the temporary residence and the center of life.
The center of life is normally where the spouse has his primary residence except in the interpretation of the uk home office.
Which at least leaves the definition of frontier worker open to exceptions where the work may be prohibiting returns home.'frontier worker' means any worker employed in the territory of a Member State and residing in the territory of another Member State to which he returns as a rule daily or at least once a week; however, a frontier worker who is posted elsewhere in the territory of the same or another Member State by the undertaking to which he is normally attached and is prevented on account of such posting from returning daily or at least once a week to the place where he resides shall nevertheless retain the status of frontier worker for a period not exceeding four months(emphasis added).Source
zerOH wrote:After about 14 months of living in HMS we moved back to MSO under EEA/EU law (Singh judgement). We applied for family immigration. They rejected us on the grounds that my wife worked in HMO and we had a previous (failed) family immigration attempt.
You might have very little doubt, but undeniably the immigration department doubted and hence rejected your application. I can see their point. The EEA national spends half her time and works all her working hours in the MSO. It is hard to escape the conclusion that her entire exercise of treaty rights is in the MSO.zerOH wrote:I have very little doubt that we fall under the free movement rubrics (both Directive 2004/38 and Article 21 TFEU), but it's hard to find similar circumstances established in law when it comes to exercising treaty rights while being a cross-border (long-term) worker.
I am completely mystified by your referencing Ritter-Coulais. It is not in contention that an EEA Citizen can work across EU borders, including those of his own nation-state.zerOH wrote:Plus, working in one member state while residing in another is allowed even if that member state is the MSO, see S&G and Ritter-Coulais.
The quote that you provided is from EU social security legislation and not directly applicable to rules about family members under Directive 2004/38/EC.zerOH wrote: 'frontier worker' means any worker employed in the territory of a Member State and residing in the territory of another Member State to which he returns as a rule daily or at least once a week; however, a frontier worker who is posted elsewhere in the territory of the same or another Member State by the undertaking to which he is normally attached and is prevented on account of such posting from returning daily or at least once a week to the place where he resides shall nevertheless retain the status of frontier worker for a period not exceeding four months(emphasis added).Source
That is an accurate summary of the situation of the EEA citizen in this case.noajthan wrote:they seem to see it more as working at home and holidaying in another country from time to time.
what I'm wondering is if the nationality of OP's wife was different. Hypothetically speaking what if the circumstances were the same, but OP's wife was from country X, living in country Y (HMS), working in country Z (MSO). Would country Z be treating that application differently? If yes, then wouldn't there be a case for equal treatment of workers? If no, then why are they treated differently?"It would be clearcut if the worker was not working in their home country but was transferring between two third-party memberstates."
That's true and I never intended for it to be read as such. I've yet to find any definition of cross-border worker directly applicable to family members in the Directive. I've read national law and it just doesn't speak about x-border workers except in relation to social benefits. It only speaks about economically active or economically inactive in the HMS. Almost all of the definitions of cross-border worker appear in laws dealing with social benefits and from the best of my understanding, that is where the definition of frontier worker with the temporal criterion originates.secret.simon wrote:The quote that you provided is from EU social security legislation and not directly applicable to rules about family members under Directive 2004/38/EC.
"An EU citizen exercises his right of residence in another Member State if he makes that Member State the place where the habitual centre of his interest lies. provided that, when all relevant facts are taken into account, that test is satisfied, it is irrelevant in this context whether that EU citizen keeps another form of residence elsewhere or whether his physical presence in the Member State of residence is regularly or irregularly interrupted"(¶159(3))
If the family, including the EEA citizen, were self-sufficient (with comprehensive health insurance) and based entirely within the HMS (including weekend and/or occasional trips to the MSO), then there is no doubt that the provisions of SS would be triggered on return of the whole family to the MSO.treena.oakley wrote:another thing I wonder is the time OP's wife wasn't working at all. Wouldn't that be enough to fall under self-sufficient rules? Genuinely curious about that one because it still would meet the rules of the directive and the criteria set out in O&B.
In such a case, pure freedom of movement rules would have been triggered, as the EEA citizen would be working and residing wholly in EEA members states of which she is not a national. SS would be irrelevant.treena.oakley wrote:Hypothetically speaking what if the circumstances were the same, but OP's wife was from country X, living in country Y (HMS), working in country Z (MSO). Would country Z be treating that application differently?
EU law in this field is very specific. A citizen, who is a national of country X working in country X does not trigger freedom of movement rights, but his colleague at the next table, in the same work environment, doing the same job and getting paid the same, who is a national of country Y does. There is no equality in that, is there?treena.oakley wrote:If yes, then wouldn't there be a case for equal treatment of workers? If no, then why are they treated differently?