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You've done well to get as far as you have done. And you are absolutely right that a woman registered as a Citizen of the UK & Colonies under s6(2) of the 1948 Act based on marriage to a man who became a British citizen otherwise than by descent on 1.1.83 also became a British citizen otherwise than by descent herself.dave21683 wrote:I hope that someone could please help me clear up my eligibility for a UK passport.
My mother was born in New Zealand, but she was registered as a UK Citizen in 1972. It says 'Registered as a citizen of the UK and Colonies under section 6 (2) of British Nationality Act 1948' on her certificate. She obtained this through her first marriage to a British born male.
She later divorced him, and had moved back to NZ when I was born in June 83 (to a NZ father). My mother still holds UK citizenship today though and was granted a British passport in 1992 (which was the first time she ever applied for a passport)
I believe that how she acquired her citizenship makes her a citizen otherwise than by descent? and that would make me a British citizen by descent automatically at birth. I have read online that if you were registered under section 6 (2) then you are a British citizen by descent, if your husband was a citizen by descent. But since her husband was born in England, that makes him, and effectively her, a British citizen otherwise than by descent?
The only thing is, since she hasn’t spoken to her ex husband in about 30 years, proving that he was ‘otherwise than by descent’ would be quite hard. It does say on her certificate of registration however that he was born in England in 1943. Will this be enough for me to use?
Any help anyone can give me would be much appreciated!
Thanks a lot!!
Dave
It's a part of your family tree.dave21683 wrote:Only, if I try to get his birth certificate, am I allowed to do this? Will they issue it to me considering its not my certificate?
In the United Kingdom there are no restrictions on obtaining someone else's birth certificate, at least for now.dave21683 wrote:wow that's great! thanks a lot.
Only, if I try to get his birth certificate, am I allowed to do this? Will they issue it to me considering its not my certificate?
Things often get lost/misfiled in government departments, and in transit. They may well say that they don't accept copies, but that doesn't mean they really won't accept them.Also, as for not sending the original registration certificate, what makes you think it might get lost? I read that they do not accept photocopies of anything so how might I get around this?
You can send them a copy. Or send them a copy which is certified to be a true copy of the original (usually done by a lawyer or a notary).dave21683 wrote:Also, as for not sending the original registration certificate, what makes you think it might get lost? I read that they do not accept photocopies of anything so how might I get around this?
Actually I am living in London now. I am on a working holiday visa but it will expire later this year, which led to me investigating this in the first place.
If the worst comes to the worst, could you travel to Wellington to show it in person if they ask?
ID cards aren't here yet.vinny wrote:Once you have all your documents, you may apply for a passport or ID card or also a UK Consular Birth Certificate in the UK.
It appears you already have the citizenship and are just applying for a passport. Applying in the UK is cheaper and 5m people a year do it.dave21683 wrote:Actually I am living in London now. I am on a working holiday visa but it will expire later this year, which led to me investigating this in the first place. This isn't something I will have to apply for from New Zealand is it?
Before I tell you the history of this, can you please clarify:dave21683 wrote:Can anyone tell me why someone born before 1983 cannot apply to be registered due to their mother being registered under section 6 (2) of the 1948 registration act?
I was looking at the requirements for my brother to also claim through our mother, but there was a point saying you are ineligable if this is how your mother was granted citizenship…
it was NOVEMBER 1971....a few weeks late.JAJ wrote:
- what date did your mother get married? [in particular, was it before or after 28 October 1971] (note this is the date of marriage, not when she became a citizen)
1980JAJ wrote:
- what year was your brother born?
No unfortunately...JAJ wrote:
- do you have any U.K. born grandparents (either male or female)
Why is this exactly? I thought that the whole law change in 1983 meant that people could backdate applications for citizenship that they should have got had the law been the same as what the 83 bill was changing it to. But if he can't get it seems weird that I can (not that I am complaining!)JAJ wrote: It won't affect you as you come under the 1983 rules, but the rules before that were different and the answers are pertinent to any eligibility your brother may have now
Good question! The reply is a little long-winded, so here goes:dave21683 wrote: Why is this exactly? I thought that the whole law change in 1983 meant that people could backdate applications for citizenship that they should have got had the law been the same as what the 83 bill was changing it to. But if he can't get it seems weird that I can (not that I am complaining!)
JAJ wrote:<snip>
Fast forward to 2003 and the new section 4C of the British Nationality Act 1981, to deal with overseas born children of British mothers. There are three requirements to register as a British citizen under the Act:
- born between 8 Feb 1961 and 31 December 1982 (clearly your brother is ok here); and
- would have been a CUKC if women had been able to pass on their CUKC status in the same way as men at the time (again, no issues here as any man naturalised or registered as CUKC could normally pass it on, except some specific exceptions not relevant here).
- if your brother had been a CUKC before 1983, he would have had Right of Abode in the United Kingdom. This is where it gets more problematic. For the purposes of ROA under the Immigration Act 1971, your mother was not considered "registered in the United Kingdom" so your brother could not have got ROA based on her status. If neither parent nor grandparent had a UK link, and if he didn't get ROA based on his own UK residence pre 1983 (clearly impossible) then he would not have acquired a Right of Abode in the U.K. under the Immigration Act 1971 as it was at the time. Hence he would not have become a British citizen on 1.1.1983 but instead would have become a British Overseas citizen on 1.1.1983.
I'm getting a little curious now as to whether I can become a Britizish citizen or not.JAJ earlier in another thread wrote: If your mother was born in the Republic of Ireland (as opposed to Northern Ireland) then as far as I can see you are not eligible for this concession. The reason for this is that your mother is herself a British citizen "by descent", as she was born outside the United Kingdom.
You're ruled out by the second requirement. Had your mother been able to pass on her British nationality on the same basis as men could, you still would not have been a CUKC at birth, assuming you were born in Australia and not a protectorate, or something.toaster wrote: I was born in 1980. To a mother that was born in (southern) Ireland to British parents (they were working over there roughly from when she was born til when she was 10). She has a UK passport, and her parents are both UK citizens (from a looooong line of other UK citizens).
As my mother gained her UK citizenship by descent, is this why I am not able to apply to be a UK citizen? And does that fall under the second or third requirement (just out of curiosity).