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global gypsy wrote:
I suppose this means on top of being a productive immigrant, i.e. holding a well-paying job, paying taxes, etc. you also need to do voluntary work. Forget that leisure time, folks! Get 'active'!
Jeez, the whole thing looks like something cooked up at a pub over a drink...
Green paper indeed...perhaps belongs in a loo?
I think this about sums up my feeling pretty well. I pay my taxes like everyone else, meaning I pay towards the services I use like the NHS. Plus I don't think it's fair for the government to come down on people like me to deal with the 'immigrants on benefits' issue. I am not and never have been on benefits as long as I've lived, so how come I'm being punished?OFCHARITY wrote:This compulsory voluntary service is an oxymoron in my mind. Somewhere between working long hours as highly skilled, high tax paying migrants, you will have to use any leisure time you would normally hope to spend with your family or unwinding doing voluntary work. I have no problem with rewarding those who volunteer but making it compulsory is ignoring the reality of what the working life of many highly skilled person involves.
It'll be interesting to see when these exact same standards are applied to vermin who are by accident born on that dry spot between Ireland and France.probationary citizens' and 'actively contributing' to the community
It is crap, just utter crapglobal gypsy wrote:The biggest joke in these new changes is this bit about 'probationary citizens' and how by 'actively contributing' to the community, people under this category can expect to become 'full citizens' in a 'minimum of 1 year'
SYH wrote:It is crap, just utter crapglobal gypsy wrote:The biggest joke in these new changes is this bit about 'probationary citizens' and how by 'actively contributing' to the community, people under this category can expect to become 'full citizens' in a 'minimum of 1 year'
cmon now, this being a good citizen can not be accurately assessed. What activity do they have in mind. It is just stupid. How is that helping you to be British, if the British don't do it.
I barely have time to do my own job, let alone doing active community service. They have lost their mind. Most of the time, people don't want to give me a job because I am not Brit, who the heck is going to offer these wonderful community jobs and report to the HO, then the reporters have this power over you to mess you up if they want you to stuff you are not interested in doing. It is so ridiculous., most hare brained, half cooked idea that has ever been concocted
Plus making it compulsory for them to do voluntary work will take away the time they have to do shopping and contribute even more to the UK government's coffers through VAT etc.pantaiema wrote:I think this is the point they have missed. They fail to see the theory of comparative advantage from David Ricardo & Torrent. It will be better off for highly skilled migrant holding a highly paid job to work in their field and pay huge amount of taxes rather than doing voluntary work.
It's fairly safe to say that when they talk about "probationary citizenship" they do not mean citizenship.Confused! wrote: Also, how does the concept of 'probationary citizen' work? Is it a citizenship or not? It can have a serious ramification for those from countries that do not permit dual citizenship - what happens if the person has to give up his original citizenship and then the UK plc decides 'oh let's change the rule, let's scrap probationary citizenship and put them back on ILR' - the person could be left stateless?
It's only a green paper at the moment, up for discussion. It may not happen, and if there are changes they may not be as proposed at the moment. Any changes would be months away at the least.sunnyday wrote:and by the way,
anyone know when the citizenship thing is going to be implemented? (increase from 1 year to x years)
maybe, but that's soon enough to affect lots of people on this forum.soon cant be before this time next year.....