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I don't understand the last part...Siggi wrote:So assuming that later on in the year all non EU nationals living in the UK will has to have the new ID.
Will this mean that they will also be able to travel within the EU on this ID without any visa restrictions as ID carrying Europens?
Any thoughs on this matter?
No. You may be able to use the ID card instead of a passport, but only if you obviously have the right to travel across Europe. If you need a visa, you will still need to use your passport.Siggi wrote:Will this mean that they will also be able to travel within the EU on this ID without any visa restrictions as ID carrying Europens?
I doubt it. The ID card is primarily meant as a tool to keep tabs on foreigners in this country and make them feel intimidated and unwelcome (a bit like the badges for the Jews in Nazi Germany).Its sole purpose is to make life harder for non EU nationals and in that sense they are different from your usual EU ID card and therefore unlikely to include benefits like visa free travel. Things might change if the UK decides t join the schengen zone at some point in the future though..Siggi wrote:So assuming that later on in the year all non EU nationals living in the UK will has to have the new ID.
Will this mean that they will also be able to travel within the EU on this ID without any visa restrictions as ID carrying Europens?
Any thoughs on this matter?
Yes, but bearers of German or French ID cards are by definition German or French CITIZENS. These countries' authorities, like almost all European countries, do not issue Personalausweisen or Cartes d'identité to non-citizens. Non-citizens in these countries may get a type of internal ID with a different designation that does not function as a passport replacement for EU travel. The unique thing about the UK situation is that at least in the beginning, only NON-CITIZENS will be forced to carry UK-issued ID cards. Then eventually, all residents will have them, citizen or not.Siggi wrote:OK for example if you have a French or Germany ID card, you may enter the UK on this ID card.
So as a Non EU citizen with UK ID card I would think this would enough to enter another EU state.
andCan the version of the ID card for foreign nationals be used for travel?
No, only the passport (and in the case of EU countries*, the ID card) issued by someone's own country can be used for travel.
* For instance a Polish citizen resident in the UK but still in possession of a Polish ID card (and UK one, potentially) could still use her Polish ID card for EU travel. However, an American with a UK ID card would still need to travel with his US passport.Could the card be used for travel in Europe?
Most citizens of the European Economic Area (EEA) countries are able to travel within Europe using their national ID cards rather than a full passport. An ID card with British nationality displayed on the card could be used for travel in Europe.
Yes, it is almost as if they want to give the ID card a bad reputation for being useless, so that the whole project will fail in the end...RobinLondon wrote:The unique thing about the UK situation is that at least in the beginning, only NON-CITIZENS will be forced to carry UK-issued ID cards. Then eventually, all residents will have them, citizen or not.
Exactly, what is that supposed to achieve? Anyway, it is not going to happen, because they can only do that once UK citizens are also required to have an ID card. Otherwise the reaction of the ECJ would be switch and painless (that is painless for me, not the Home Office).* For instance a Polish citizen resident in the UK but still in possession of a Polish ID card (and UK one, potentially)