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Once you are an Irish citizen, you can apply for an Irish passport in the same way as any other Irish citizen. There will obviously a short period between making the application and receiving the passport (i.e. they don't give it to you there and then), but it won't be long. As joesoap says, it's becoming a citizen that will take you a long time.hussie wrote:Ah man, Jambles. You're not serious! I was hoping that I'll have citizenship next year Jan (based on 30+ months waiting etc) but I assumed citizenship=passport.
So now my question. How long after citizenship do you actually have the passport in your hand? Probably another 30 months??! :-s Where would you apply for the passport?
ok, we went throught this before. joe. can you find a section saying that they will grant long-term residency to green card holder after 2 years???? as far as i can see in their document. they are only saying the green card holder will have a pathway to get long term residency after 2 years but they did not say when.joesoap101 wrote:Technically you qualify for permanent (or long term more accurately) residency after either 5 years (through work permits) or after 2 years on a green card employment permit (www.entemp.ie). However if you get long term residency in the form of a 5 year stamp after being on the green card for 2 years, you still need to have a total of 5 years residency before you can apply for naturalisation. The waiting time for naturalisation is currently 3 years. Once a certificate of naturalisation is issued, you become an Irish citizen on the date stated on the naturalisation certificate. You are then an Irish citizen, and only then are you able to apply for an Irish passport (using your certificate of naturalisation). The actual passport application takes about 10 days, its the waiting before that for you to become a citizen that takes so long.
This is getting old! Do some research on the various websites and this forum!mktsoi wrote:ok, we went throught this before. joe. can you find a section saying that they will grant long-term residency to green card holder after 2 years???? as far as i can see in their document. they are only saying the green card holder will have a pathway to get long term residency after 2 years but they did not say when.joesoap101 wrote:Technically you qualify for permanent (or long term more accurately) residency after either 5 years (through work permits) or after 2 years on a green card employment permit (www.entemp.ie). However if you get long term residency in the form of a 5 year stamp after being on the green card for 2 years, you still need to have a total of 5 years residency before you can apply for naturalisation. The waiting time for naturalisation is currently 3 years. Once a certificate of naturalisation is issued, you become an Irish citizen on the date stated on the naturalisation certificate. You are then an Irish citizen, and only then are you able to apply for an Irish passport (using your certificate of naturalisation). The actual passport application takes about 10 days, its the waiting before that for you to become a citizen that takes so long.
An architect who helped organise Charlie Haughey's funeral has hit out at the delays in processing his citizenship application.
Steven Phillips (38), from New Zealand, was one of the people tasked with ensuring there were adequate facilities available for dignitaries and the media at St Fintan's cemetery in Howth in December 2006.
He also was in charge of renovating Justice Minister Brian Lenihan's offices and the offices of Communications Minister Eamon Ryan.
He said last night that he was very frustrated at the two-and-a-quarter year wait for his Irish citizenship application to be processed.
"There's constant waiting and not knowing what's going on. Ireland is my home now and I'm committed to living and working here, and establishing a home with my wife and hopefully a family," he said.
He married his wife, Sandra, in 2006 and is still working with EML architects, which has offices in Dublin and Limerick.
However, his lack of Irish citizenship is making it more difficult for them to get a mortgage and to achieve their plans of setting up a marketing company together.
Mr Phillips said he had sent letters, emails and faxes to the Department of Justice for information about his December 2005 citizenship application but had received few replies.
His case was highlighted in the Dail last night by Fine Gael TD Alan Shatter, who said that his application might not be processed until 2010 due to the huge backlog of cases.There are currently 17,000 people waiting for their citizenship applications to be processed..
joejoesoap101 wrote:This is getting old! Do some research on the various websites and this forum!mktsoi wrote:ok, we went throught this before. joe. can you find a section saying that they will grant long-term residency to green card holder after 2 years???? as far as i can see in their document. they are only saying the green card holder will have a pathway to get long term residency after 2 years but they did not say when.joesoap101 wrote:Technically you qualify for permanent (or long term more accurately) residency after either 5 years (through work permits) or after 2 years on a green card employment permit (www.entemp.ie). However if you get long term residency in the form of a 5 year stamp after being on the green card for 2 years, you still need to have a total of 5 years residency before you can apply for naturalisation. The waiting time for naturalisation is currently 3 years. Once a certificate of naturalisation is issued, you become an Irish citizen on the date stated on the naturalisation certificate. You are then an Irish citizen, and only then are you able to apply for an Irish passport (using your certificate of naturalisation). The actual passport application takes about 10 days, its the waiting before that for you to become a citizen that takes so long.
"The new arrangements allow the employee to apply for immediate family re-unification and will normally allow a pathway to long-term residence after two years."
"After 2 years on a Green Card Permit to whom do I apply for permanent residence?
The Immigration and Citizenship Bureau of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform."
http://www.entemp.ie/publications/labou ... ncards.pdf
Can you please make an effort next time to actually read the document! And Green Card employment permits have been issued for a while now, so as to when? well as soon as you have one for 2 years- quite simple. But that doesnt mean you get to skip the queue at the DOJ.
look. do i know how to read english or not. this is simple. if i cannot read. i cannot answer you here! listen. YOU stop mislead people here. if i am wrong, i will apologize, so prove me wrong. i was looking into this myself 6 months ago. IT SAID pathway to permanent residency. did you see the word PATHWAY?????? i spoke to the dept some months ago about this. yes, you are right. the dept of enterprise told people in the document after 2 years that people can apply for the permanent residency, but they never said when after 2 years!!!!!!!!!!! plus, after all, can a non eu national stay in ireland or not. dept of justice has the final say about this. 6 months ago when i phoned up dept of justice(GNIB) and asked about the 2 years green card holder and permanent residency after. they dont even have a clue about what i was asking. all they saying is, a person can get long term residency only after 5 years working in ireland, not 2 years.joesoap101 wrote:mktsoi you are belligerent and frankly I dont care who issues what to whom. Read the documents and deal with the various Government departments yourself. I dont need to prove anything. What I can say with some certainty is that you are incapable of reading and/or interpreting the documents issued by the dept of enterprise trade and employment.
http://www.entemp.ie/publications/labou ... ncards.pdf
If you cannot read English, get someone to translate the above document. The key parts here are (this is taken from the above document)-
"The new arrangements allow the employee to apply for immediate family re-unification and will normally allow a pathway to long-term residence after two years."
"After 2 years on a Green Card Permit to whom do I apply for permanent residence?
The Immigration and Citizenship Bureau of the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform."
As for the application/administration of this, well who knows? Surely anyone who has dealt with immigration related issues in Ireland would be well aware of this.
my point is DONT be rude to other people. you are not misleading people. i know you have been posting in this forum for long time. you should know how it works in ireland now!!!!!! i have done few post about green card and long term residency in this forum. just go take a read yourself. by the way, english is not my first language. just in case you dont understand what i wrote in this forum. you better find a translator since you dont think i can read and write in english smart guy!joesoap101 wrote:What exactly is your point? Take a case against the Government for providing misleading information if you wish- it sounds as if you are holding me personally responsible for the Governments lack of implementation of their own policies - I think you may have lost touch with reality.
And I am not misleading anyone, I back up all my statements with relevant links.
*yawn*mktsoi wrote:my point is DONT be rude to other people. you are not misleading people. i know you have been posting in this forum for long time. you should know how it works in ireland now!!!!!! i have done few post about green card and long term residency in this forum. just go take a read yourself. by the way, english is not my first language. just in case you dont understand what i wrote in this forum. you better find a translator since you dont think i can read and write in english smart guy!joesoap101 wrote:What exactly is your point? Take a case against the Government for providing misleading information if you wish- it sounds as if you are holding me personally responsible for the Governments lack of implementation of their own policies - I think you may have lost touch with reality.
And I am not misleading anyone, I back up all my statements with relevant links.
smart guy. just stop being an idiot and stop misleading people. you want to talk about regulations of ireland. go by the rule and apply and let them make you fxxxing wait forever.joesoap101 wrote:*yawn*mktsoi wrote:my point is DONT be rude to other people. you are not misleading people. i know you have been posting in this forum for long time. you should know how it works in ireland now!!!!!! i have done few post about green card and long term residency in this forum. just go take a read yourself. by the way, english is not my first language. just in case you dont understand what i wrote in this forum. you better find a translator since you dont think i can read and write in english smart guy!joesoap101 wrote:What exactly is your point? Take a case against the Government for providing misleading information if you wish- it sounds as if you are holding me personally responsible for the Governments lack of implementation of their own policies - I think you may have lost touch with reality.
And I am not misleading anyone, I back up all my statements with relevant links.
by the way, i forgot to say this. just like you are saying. you are not msileading people. i dont know if you are like most of the people in this forum or not. either waiting for long term residency or irish citizenship approve by the irish government. if you are, i hope next time when you mention to other people in this forum about how it works. like apply for citizenship has to be living in ireland for 5 years BUT DO NOT forget to tell people that the DOJ making people wait 3 years after. you are right. you are not mislead but just forgot to tell people certain stuff. just like the green card Mr Scholar!joesoap101 wrote:*yawn*mktsoi wrote:my point is DONT be rude to other people. you are not misleading people. i know you have been posting in this forum for long time. you should know how it works in ireland now!!!!!! i have done few post about green card and long term residency in this forum. just go take a read yourself. by the way, english is not my first language. just in case you dont understand what i wrote in this forum. you better find a translator since you dont think i can read and write in english smart guy!joesoap101 wrote:What exactly is your point? Take a case against the Government for providing misleading information if you wish- it sounds as if you are holding me personally responsible for the Governments lack of implementation of their own policies - I think you may have lost touch with reality.
And I am not misleading anyone, I back up all my statements with relevant links.
oh my god, you are irish citizen? i cannot believe this. they acutally let you have citizenship? you must be a very good citizen that waited for 5 years and applied and they gave the passport to you a day after the 5 years. wow. by the way, can you tell me how did i not comply with the irish immigration law? since i dont know english much, oh please explain.joesoap101 wrote:You should seriously look into getting some counseling for that chip on your shoulder. I have never mislead anyone in this forum, nor have I neglected to mention any information - which is widely accessible through various posts anyway.
I am an Irish citizen, I'm not waiting on anything. Finally, most of your problems likely stem from the fact that you're Chinese and that you were not complying with Irish immigration laws- that is your problem, don't take it out on anyone else. You are actually misleading everyone.