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I agree, the use of this term would be asking for trouble.JAJ wrote:Probably 2009, but as "probationary citizenship" is simply an immigration status rather than a form of citizenship, it would be highly irresponsible for the Government to persist with using this term.
Why? Because if they use the word "citizenship" then they are going to have problems returning deportees to countries that do not accept dual citizenship. These countries may start revoking the citizenship of their nationals on the basis of "probationary citizenship" in the U.K. which leaves such persons stateless and not returnable to their home countries.
Ditto, they probably meant, Probationary period before Citizenship eligibility but it is quite long and they shortened it to a point that it is inaccurate.JAJ wrote:Probably 2009, but as "probationary citizenship" is simply an immigration status rather than a form of citizenship, it would be highly irresponsible for the Government to persist with using this term.
Why? Because if they use the word "citizenship" then they are going to have problems returning deportees to countries that do not accept dual citizenship. These countries may start revoking the citizenship of their nationals on the basis of "probationary citizenship" in the U.K. which leaves such persons stateless and not returnable to their home countries.
I think that refers to being "out [of prison] on probation" - in other words, the person is released but if it doesn't work out (i.e. if the person re-offends) then he or she will be imprisoned again.Fairtrade wrote:Isn't "Probation" something handed to criminals for commiting a crime???
Sorry to disagree, but that would imply some kind of "temporary citizenship". Now under international law citizenship is never temporary, it is always granted fully and without further preconditions. So the only logical conclusion is that it is not citizenship. It does not matter which word you stick in front of it, calling it any kind of citizenship is incorrect and confusing.global gypsy wrote:Well, the word 'probationary' also means: 'under terms not final or fully worked out or agreed upon'
So the HO could get away with use of this term after all.
Well, 'honorary citizenship' doesn't confer actual citizenship on someone.It does not matter which word you stick in front of it, calling it any kind of citizenship is incorrect and confusing.
But my point was really that probationary citizens would not be citizens at all. And rather than being not final or fully worked out or agreed upon, the "terms" would, in fact, be all of those things - the terms would be the requirements for citizenship, which the "probationary citizen" would need to fulfil before he or she could become a citizen.global gypsy wrote:Well, the word 'probationary' also means: 'under terms not final or fully worked out or agreed upon'
So the HO could get away with use of this term after all.
Something like it. From what the consultation paper said, they'd expect us to volunteer with a recognised charity or some such, but yeah it is a similar kind of thing.Fairtrade wrote:They call it Probation Citizenship and then you will have to do Community service........ Don't criminals do comunity service for something they have done wrong. Like cleaning the streets, picking up rubbish etc..