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Nope, your application should be fine. A couple of points based on the details given by you:Yanki1974 wrote:Hi, I would need advise for good character requirement.
I am a non EEA spouse of EEA national.
We got married in May 2011. Prior to this this, I had a post graduate study work visa. Spouse did not register with job centre as he did not want to claim benefit. He registered with employment agencies and had evidence for job applications, interviews and job rejections. He first applied as a job seeker in August 2011 as a job seeker but was refused in January 2012 because he did not register with job center.
He got a job in March 2012 and reapplied and got his registeration certificate and I got my residence card. We divorced in 2014 and I got retained right of residence. I applied for permanent residence and got my BRP in July 2017 and date acquired permanent residence in March 2017
I intend to apply for naturalization in March 2018. My question is will the period that his application was refused affect my naturalization under good character requirement as he may have been deemed not to exercise treaty right which means I was illegal as my visa expired during that period?
I will appreciate advice from the experienced members as I do not want to waste my money.
Thank you so much Indguru90 for your response. I can now relax.Indguru90 wrote:Nope, your application should be fine. A couple of points based on the details given by you:Yanki1974 wrote:Hi, I would need advise for good character requirement.
I am a non EEA spouse of EEA national.
We got married in May 2011. Prior to this this, I had a post graduate study work visa. Spouse did not register with job centre as he did not want to claim benefit. He registered with employment agencies and had evidence for job applications, interviews and job rejections. He first applied as a job seeker in August 2011 as a job seeker but was refused in January 2012 because he did not register with job center.
He got a job in March 2012 and reapplied and got his registeration certificate and I got my residence card. We divorced in 2014 and I got retained right of residence. I applied for permanent residence and got my BRP in July 2017 and date acquired permanent residence in March 2017
I intend to apply for naturalization in March 2018. My question is will the period that his application was refused affect my naturalization under good character requirement as he may have been deemed not to exercise treaty right which means I was illegal as my visa expired during that period?
I will appreciate advice from the experienced members as I do not want to waste my money.
1) The reason for your husband's EEA1 refusal in 2012 cannot have been due to failure to register with the DWP. There is nothing in law or policy that would require this (with the exception of those who want to retain worker status, but I don't think that is what you're talking about). Jobseekers may provide evidence of registration with a recruitment agency as an alternative. It seems that your husband's application was initially refused because the then-UKBA was not satisfied that he had a genuine chance of being employed (see regulation 6(4) of the now repealed Immigration (EEA) Regulations 2006). This would have been a challengeable decision - a refusal of an EEA1 certificate does not necessarily imply that the residence was actually unlawful.
2) It is a statutory requirement that the applicant should not have been in breach of immigration laws during the 5-year qualifying period. You satisfy this requirement.
3) The additional requirement under the - separate - good character head, that the applicant should have been compliant with immigration law during the preceding 10-year period, is relatively new and applied with some flexibility. The Nationality Guidance refers to illegal entry (para.9.5), assisting of illegal migration (para.9.6), evasion of immigration control (para.9.7), and hiring of illegal workers (para.9.8 ). Paragraph 9.7 reads:
The decision maker will normally refuse an application if within the 10 years preceding the application the person has not been compliant with immigration requirements, including but not limited to having:
a. failed to report
b. failed to comply with any conditions imposed under the Immigration Acts
c. been detected working in the UK without permission
Whilst this has the potential to be applied as against EEA nationals and their family members, this is not currently the case, save where conduct was so egregious as to cast doubt on the applicant's good character. There are scores of successful applicants who, for example, had previous refusals of EEA1 certificates on the basis of lack of comprehensive sickness insurance, who subsequently had their citizenship applications approved. As long as you have been granted your PR card and have not deliberately engaged in immigration offences in the 10 years preceding your application, you're fine, despite the fact that your husband had a previous EEA1 refusal.
Hi again,Yanki1974 wrote: Thank you so much Indguru90 for your response. I can now relax.
I sent an email to the case worker querying this decision and she responded with a long response stating the requirement for job seekers. Just copied relevant bits below so as not to take up space.
"However, in relation to the period in which your sponsor was a job-seeker, unfortunately your sponsor’s period of job-seeking was not accepted because this department was not satisfied he was seeking work in accordance with the Regulations., as per your own admission; your sponsor was not registered with the relevant employment office and therefore he was not deemed a jobseeker in accordance with the regulations. Furthermore, no evidence was received to show your sponsor was either a qualified person prior to seeking work or that they had entered the UK in order to seek work"
This was why I assumed because my ex was not registered with DWP as I submitted lots of emails showing job applications, registration with agencies, some interviews and rejections for 6 months. This was the maximum period for job seelers bf 2014.
In anycase I am relieved this will not be an issue for naturalization
Hi Indguru 90, thank you for responding.Indguru90 wrote:Hi again,Yanki1974 wrote: Thank you so much Indguru90 for your response. I can now relax.
I sent an email to the case worker querying this decision and she responded with a long response stating the requirement for job seekers. Just copied relevant bits below so as not to take up space.
"However, in relation to the period in which your sponsor was a job-seeker, unfortunately your sponsor’s period of job-seeking was not accepted because this department was not satisfied he was seeking work in accordance with the Regulations., as per your own admission; your sponsor was not registered with the relevant employment office and therefore he was not deemed a jobseeker in accordance with the regulations. Furthermore, no evidence was received to show your sponsor was either a qualified person prior to seeking work or that they had entered the UK in order to seek work"
This was why I assumed because my ex was not registered with DWP as I submitted lots of emails showing job applications, registration with agencies, some interviews and rejections for 6 months. This was the maximum period for job seelers bf 2014.
In anycase I am relieved this will not be an issue for naturalization
Re the quote from the UKBA email, "your sponsor was not registered with the relevant employment office and therefore he was not deemed a jobseeker in accordance with the regulations" is nonsense, legally speaking. However, I have an idea why this might be. It is not clear from your summary of facts but did you spouse, before they were a jobseeker in 2011, exercise Treaty rights in the UK as a worker, self-employed, student or self-sufficient person? That would sit uneasily with the rest of the email, admittedly.
The reason why I ask is that the EU regulations as initially drafted only recognised as a jobseeker someone who had "entered" the UK for the purpose of jobseeking. This was interpreted as precluding those who had previously been exercising Treaty rights from becoming jobseekers (so for example, you couldn't go straight from student to jobseeker, you had to leave the country and then return as a jobseeker). This was obviously rather silly and contravened EU Directive 2004/38. When the Immigration (EEA) (Amendment No 2) Regulations 2013 came into force, jobseekers included those who had previously exercised a Treaty right. So it is no longer necessary to leave the UK and re-enter in order to enjoy the status of jobseeker.
This amendment operates retrospectively. What I'm thinking is that, if your spouse had before 2011 been (for example) a worker, and he did not leave the UK at the end of this, he could not have become a jobseeker under the regulations as they then stood. He could only have qualified on the basis of retained worker status, and this does indeed require, and always has required, "being in duly registered unemployment". Even so, if the facts as assumed here are correct, the initial EEA1 refusal was correct as a matter of the UK regulations but unlawful as a matter of EU law. Could you tell me when you received this email from the Home Office? If it was sent after 2013, they should obviously be aware of the change in the law.
In any event, none of this should affect your naturalisation application. Just trying to get to this bottom of this strange email...
HO should be able to apply discretion in your case as you made an out of time application within 28 days of your leave to remain expiring and it seems you fulfilled their request for you to leave the UK.Neh11 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:37 pmHi there,
I need some advice on my British Naturalisation application please.
I am in the process of preparing to apply for my naturalisation application.
My immigration history in the UK is:
I came as a student UK in April 2008. I was granted visa until 31st October 2009. I applied for extension on 2nd December 2009 (2 days after my visa expired). This was due to my school's fault in providing my renewal letter on time.
I received a refusal on the 10th February 2010 claiming I did not provide up to date supporting documents (such as the bank statement). I was not given right of appeal as my visa expired before I applied for extension.
I was then asked to contact HO to collect my passport and return my country. I did and I was given temporary admission by April 2010. I collected my passport and left UK within the allocated time frame in April 2010.
After 2 years and 4 months, I applied as a dependent of my husband and granted entry to UK in July 2012. I was granted ILR after two years and I have now completed 5 years lawfull stay.
I would like get advice on the good character requirement:
Will HO consider me staying unlawfull since my extension visa was expired on 31st October 2009 on the basis of good character?
Do I need to provide my temporary admission letter and relevant refusal letter with my application?
I would be appreciated with your kind advice.
Thanks
Nehir
Dont be confused. You seem to have acquired PR in March 2015 which means you can apply for Naturalisation in March 2016 after 1 yr of not having an time restriction.cleideclayde wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:41 pmHello, hope you are all well.
I would like to ask about the Home Office letter send it to me with my residency card. I got my permanent residency card in November/16 and from what I know you got to wait 12 months pass to apply for Naturalisation but in the letter it says clearly that I'm eligible to apply for citizenship since 24/03/16.
I'm very confused now.
Should I apply now or wait 12 months from when my card/visa was approved?
I also know someone else who got the similar situation, got the permanent visa and on the letter allows her to apply for citizenship after only 3 months???!!!
Thanks.
Parking fines will only affect your good character req if you have had numerous parking tickets within the current year. You do not need to declare it.ribena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:47 pmHello,
May I please ask if it is advisable to disclose parking fines I received.
I think I received 3 parking fines from a London Borough in 2013-2014 (don't remember exact years and didn't keep any paperwork as I wasn't planning to naturalise back then). No parking / traffic offences since.
They were paid promptly. No other points / any traffic offences.
I don't want HO to think I did not disclose this on purpose nor they think I am being vague but I really can't remember.
Thanks
Thanks Hstepper07!Hstepper07 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:38 pmParking fines will only affect your good character req if you have had numerous parking tickets within the current year. You do not need to declare it.ribena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:47 pmHello,
May I please ask if it is advisable to disclose parking fines I received.
I think I received 3 parking fines from a London Borough in 2013-2014 (don't remember exact years and didn't keep any paperwork as I wasn't planning to naturalise back then). No parking / traffic offences since.
They were paid promptly. No other points / any traffic offences.
I don't want HO to think I did not disclose this on purpose nor they think I am being vague but I really can't remember.
Thanks